1 00:00:01,034 --> 00:00:04,275 [gentle ambient music] 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:20,034 --> 00:00:22,448 [grand theme music] 5 00:00:25,103 --> 00:00:26,965 - This isAmerican Morning 6 00:00:27,103 --> 00:00:29,206 for Monday, December 23rd, 2002. 7 00:00:29,344 --> 00:00:30,241 - Legend of rock. 8 00:00:30,379 --> 00:00:31,931 - Sad and sudden news. 9 00:00:32,068 --> 00:00:33,206 Founding father of punk rock, Joe Strummer, died yesterday. 10 00:00:33,344 --> 00:00:34,655 - Strummer was the guitarist, 11 00:00:34,793 --> 00:00:36,413 vocalist and songwriter for the British punk band, 12 00:00:36,551 --> 00:00:37,965 - The Clash. - ...home in Somerset 13 00:00:38,103 --> 00:00:39,896 and apparently peacefully of a heart attack. 14 00:00:40,034 --> 00:00:41,827 [reporter speaking foreign language] 15 00:00:41,965 --> 00:00:43,965 [reporter 2 speaking foreign language] 16 00:00:44,103 --> 00:00:45,448 - London Calling was named 17 00:00:45,586 --> 00:00:47,448 the best album of the 1980s byRolling Stone. 18 00:00:47,586 --> 00:00:48,689 [reporter 3 speaking foreign language] 19 00:00:48,827 --> 00:00:51,310 - We need Joe Strummer more than ever. 20 00:00:51,896 --> 00:00:55,758 - I wouldn't be in a band had I not heard The Clash. 21 00:00:59,448 --> 00:01:01,275 - Joe, we're gonna have your name on screen. 22 00:01:01,413 --> 00:01:02,724 Would you like anything under your name? 23 00:01:02,862 --> 00:01:03,793 Would you like Mescaleros, 24 00:01:03,931 --> 00:01:05,620 The Clash or anything like that? 25 00:01:05,758 --> 00:01:08,758 [Joe] I'd like you to write "punk rock warlord" 26 00:01:08,931 --> 00:01:10,896 with warlord being one word. 27 00:01:11,103 --> 00:01:12,379 ♪ White riot ♪ 28 00:01:12,586 --> 00:01:13,448 ♪ I wanna riot ♪ 29 00:01:13,586 --> 00:01:14,379 ♪ White riot ♪ 30 00:01:14,517 --> 00:01:15,758 ♪ A riot of my own ♪ 31 00:01:15,896 --> 00:01:17,103 ♪ White riot ♪ 32 00:01:17,241 --> 00:01:18,172 ♪ I wanna riot ♪ 33 00:01:18,310 --> 00:01:19,172 ♪ White riot ♪ 34 00:01:19,310 --> 00:01:20,517 ♪ A riot of my own ♪ 35 00:01:20,655 --> 00:01:22,724 ♪ Black men got a lot of problems ♪ 36 00:01:22,862 --> 00:01:23,896 ♪ But they don't mind ♪ 37 00:01:24,034 --> 00:01:25,206 ♪ Throwing a brick ♪ 38 00:01:25,344 --> 00:01:27,206 ♪ White people go to school ♪ 39 00:01:27,586 --> 00:01:29,965 ♪ Where they teach you how to be thick ♪ 40 00:01:30,172 --> 00:01:32,103 ♪ Everybody does ♪ 41 00:01:32,482 --> 00:01:34,310 ♪ Just what they're told to ♪ 42 00:01:34,965 --> 00:01:36,793 ♪ Nobody wants ♪ 43 00:01:37,551 --> 00:01:38,655 ♪ To go to jail ♪ 44 00:01:38,793 --> 00:01:39,482 [glass shatters] 45 00:01:39,620 --> 00:01:40,689 ♪ White riot ♪ 46 00:01:40,827 --> 00:01:41,655 ♪ I wanna riot ♪ 47 00:01:41,793 --> 00:01:42,655 ♪ White riot ♪ 48 00:01:42,793 --> 00:01:44,000 ♪ A riot of my own ♪ 49 00:01:44,137 --> 00:01:45,137 ♪ White riot ♪ 50 00:01:45,275 --> 00:01:46,172 ♪ I wanna riot ♪ 51 00:01:46,586 --> 00:01:47,344 ♪ White riot ♪ 52 00:01:47,482 --> 00:01:48,793 ♪ A riot of my own ♪ 53 00:01:48,931 --> 00:01:50,620 ♪ All the power's in the hands ♪ 54 00:01:50,896 --> 00:01:53,103 ♪ Of the people rich enough to buy it ♪ 55 00:01:53,241 --> 00:01:55,448 ♪ While we walk the street ♪ 56 00:01:55,586 --> 00:01:58,034 ♪ Too chicken to even try it ♪ 57 00:01:58,275 --> 00:02:00,206 ♪ And everybody's doing ♪ 58 00:02:00,344 --> 00:02:02,827 ♪ Just what you're told to ♪ 59 00:02:03,103 --> 00:02:04,758 ♪ And nobody wants ♪ 60 00:02:05,241 --> 00:02:07,793 ♪ To go to jail ♪ 61 00:02:07,931 --> 00:02:12,137 [upbeat punk rock music continues] 62 00:02:17,379 --> 00:02:19,379 ♪ Hey you, standing in line ♪ 63 00:02:19,517 --> 00:02:21,448 ♪ Are we gonna sign an agreement? ♪ 64 00:02:22,103 --> 00:02:26,310 [Joe singing indistinctly] 65 00:02:26,448 --> 00:02:27,586 ♪ White riot ♪ 66 00:02:27,724 --> 00:02:28,689 ♪ I wanna riot ♪ 67 00:02:28,827 --> 00:02:29,620 ♪ White riot ♪ 68 00:02:29,758 --> 00:02:30,689 ♪ A riot of my own ♪ 69 00:02:30,965 --> 00:02:31,896 ♪ White riot ♪ 70 00:02:32,103 --> 00:02:33,206 ♪ I wanna riot ♪ 71 00:02:33,344 --> 00:02:34,965 ♪ White riot ♪ 72 00:02:35,103 --> 00:02:36,241 ♪ Hey ♪ 73 00:02:38,137 --> 00:02:43,137 [radio tuning] [static crackling] 74 00:02:45,862 --> 00:02:50,862 [distant sirens wailing] [fire crackling] 75 00:02:53,620 --> 00:02:55,517 [Joe] All transmitters to full. 76 00:02:55,689 --> 00:02:57,275 All receivers to boost. 77 00:02:57,413 --> 00:02:59,344 This isLondon Calling. 78 00:02:59,482 --> 00:03:01,655 This isLondon Calling. 79 00:03:01,793 --> 00:03:03,758 First of all, welcome to the program. 80 00:03:03,896 --> 00:03:05,275 All peoples of the world, 81 00:03:05,413 --> 00:03:07,172 this is Joe Strummer at the controls 82 00:03:07,310 --> 00:03:09,551 in Bush House in the heart of London. 83 00:03:09,793 --> 00:03:11,172 This land is your land. 84 00:03:11,620 --> 00:03:13,103 This world is your world. 85 00:03:13,241 --> 00:03:16,241 [upbeat music] 86 00:03:16,379 --> 00:03:19,172 [Joe] ♪ A lot of people won't get no supper tonight ♪ 87 00:03:21,275 --> 00:03:22,482 [Joe] We're gonna say the unsayable 88 00:03:22,620 --> 00:03:24,379 and play the unplayable, 89 00:03:24,517 --> 00:03:26,965 broadcasting what needs to be cast. 90 00:03:27,103 --> 00:03:28,586 If your radio's tuned here, 91 00:03:28,724 --> 00:03:30,034 your radio's tuned right. 92 00:03:30,862 --> 00:03:34,103 [upbeat music continues] 93 00:03:35,724 --> 00:03:39,034 [electricity crackling] 94 00:03:40,137 --> 00:03:42,241 My father was born in India. 95 00:03:44,206 --> 00:03:46,103 He only became an English citizen 96 00:03:46,275 --> 00:03:48,172 two years before I was born. 97 00:03:48,758 --> 00:03:50,379 After the war, he came to London 98 00:03:50,551 --> 00:03:52,000 and joined the Foreign Office. 99 00:03:52,137 --> 00:03:53,620 - He was very, very left wing, 100 00:03:53,758 --> 00:03:55,379 which we thought was quite surprising 101 00:03:55,517 --> 00:03:58,724 because he spoke like a very Pukka Englishman. 102 00:03:58,862 --> 00:04:01,551 - What on earth Ron was doing being a diplomat 103 00:04:01,689 --> 00:04:03,655 was completely beyond me. 104 00:04:03,896 --> 00:04:05,551 He questioned everything. 105 00:04:05,689 --> 00:04:07,586 [Joe] My parents weren't musical at all 106 00:04:07,724 --> 00:04:10,551 and I think if I've got any musical tradition, 107 00:04:10,689 --> 00:04:12,482 it comes from my mother's side. 108 00:04:12,620 --> 00:04:14,172 And she was born on a farm, 109 00:04:14,310 --> 00:04:16,275 50 miles south of John O'Groats 110 00:04:16,413 --> 00:04:18,172 in a town called Bonar Bridge 111 00:04:18,517 --> 00:04:21,448 which is very highland and very wild. 112 00:04:21,586 --> 00:04:23,172 [bagpipe music] 113 00:04:23,310 --> 00:04:26,310 - Anna was just this Scottish heather. 114 00:04:26,448 --> 00:04:27,965 And the great thing about Joe, 115 00:04:28,103 --> 00:04:29,965 he's got those two combinations, you know, 116 00:04:30,103 --> 00:04:33,793 of the generosity of Anna and the questioning of Ron. 117 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,689 [gong resounds] 118 00:04:38,344 --> 00:04:40,793 - ♪ Fry's Turkish delights ♪ 119 00:04:41,103 --> 00:04:42,827 [Joe] My father was posted to Turkey 120 00:04:42,965 --> 00:04:45,034 and that's why I was born there. 121 00:04:45,172 --> 00:04:47,482 [soft music] 122 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,620 He was screaming in Turkish 123 00:04:52,758 --> 00:04:54,275 when he was about three, 124 00:04:55,275 --> 00:04:56,689 shouting down the stairs 125 00:04:56,827 --> 00:04:59,758 some Turkish curse that he'd learned. 126 00:05:00,586 --> 00:05:02,586 - David was 18 months older than Joe 127 00:05:03,241 --> 00:05:05,482 and they were just like chalk and cheese. 128 00:05:05,620 --> 00:05:08,724 [upbeat music] [Joe shouting in Turkish] 129 00:05:08,931 --> 00:05:11,310 [The Clash] ♪ Sharif don't like it ♪ 130 00:05:12,655 --> 00:05:14,310 ♪ Rock the Casbah ♪ 131 00:05:14,448 --> 00:05:16,310 ♪ Rock the Casbah ♪ 132 00:05:16,448 --> 00:05:18,931 ♪ Sharif don't like it ♪ 133 00:05:19,793 --> 00:05:23,655 [Joe] My father was then posted to Cairo for two years 134 00:05:24,448 --> 00:05:27,000 and then to Mexico City for two years. 135 00:05:27,206 --> 00:05:29,034 [mariachi music] 136 00:05:29,344 --> 00:05:31,137 I went to a Mexican school 137 00:05:31,275 --> 00:05:33,241 where they spoke no English 138 00:05:33,551 --> 00:05:36,551 and then to Bonn in West Germany. 139 00:05:36,689 --> 00:05:38,448 [Elvis] ♪ See, I got him ♪ 140 00:05:38,586 --> 00:05:40,413 ♪ See the size ♪ 141 00:05:40,620 --> 00:05:44,413 ♪ Stripped and cleaned before your eyes ♪ 142 00:05:45,068 --> 00:05:47,862 ♪ Sweet meat, look ♪ 143 00:05:49,103 --> 00:05:51,931 ♪ Fresh and ready to be cooked ♪ 144 00:05:52,586 --> 00:05:55,586 ♪ Crawfish ♪ 145 00:05:55,793 --> 00:05:56,965 [Joe] That's the great Elvis Presley 146 00:05:57,103 --> 00:05:58,275 and my favorite Elvis tune 147 00:05:58,413 --> 00:06:00,862 because it's got that New Orleans flavor in there 148 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,862 and you can feel the heat on the street. 149 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,172 1960, I believe, 150 00:06:05,310 --> 00:06:06,931 is the first time I saw him. 151 00:06:07,068 --> 00:06:08,551 Johnny Mellor, he was called then. 152 00:06:08,689 --> 00:06:11,862 He was obsessed with taking my sister's clothes off. 153 00:06:12,034 --> 00:06:13,379 He said to me, "Let's take your sister's clothes off 154 00:06:13,517 --> 00:06:15,793 and hide them in his uncle John's cupboard 155 00:06:15,931 --> 00:06:18,517 'cause no one will ever find them in there." 156 00:06:20,689 --> 00:06:22,793 David would just go along with us. 157 00:06:23,310 --> 00:06:25,000 Even at that early age, 158 00:06:25,137 --> 00:06:26,137 Joe seemed to be the leader 159 00:06:26,275 --> 00:06:27,379 of the two of them. 160 00:06:29,827 --> 00:06:31,448 [Joe] Then I came to England, 161 00:06:31,586 --> 00:06:32,827 to boarding school. 162 00:06:34,655 --> 00:06:35,931 I often think about my parents 163 00:06:36,068 --> 00:06:37,965 and how I must have felt about it 164 00:06:38,448 --> 00:06:40,103 'cause it was like being sent away 165 00:06:40,241 --> 00:06:42,724 and seeing them only once a year. 166 00:06:42,862 --> 00:06:46,103 It really changed my life because I just realized that 167 00:06:46,241 --> 00:06:47,896 I had to forget about my parents... 168 00:06:49,379 --> 00:06:51,586 [tense music] 169 00:06:51,724 --> 00:06:53,275 ...and deal with this. 170 00:06:53,793 --> 00:06:55,965 [somber music] 171 00:06:59,793 --> 00:07:02,241 It was a school where people hung themselves. 172 00:07:02,620 --> 00:07:04,310 I quickly realized that you either 173 00:07:04,689 --> 00:07:07,241 became a power or you were crushed. 174 00:07:07,793 --> 00:07:09,241 I had a gang because I realized 175 00:07:09,379 --> 00:07:10,931 you had to fight fire with fire. 176 00:07:11,068 --> 00:07:13,448 It was either bully or be bullied. 177 00:07:13,586 --> 00:07:16,068 I was one of the principal bullies. 178 00:07:16,241 --> 00:07:17,827 [pig snorting] [chickens whimpering] 179 00:07:18,655 --> 00:07:19,862 [Joe] And there was no protection 180 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,413 from anybody or anything. 181 00:07:21,620 --> 00:07:23,758 [tense music] 182 00:07:24,275 --> 00:07:25,793 I was happiest at school because 183 00:07:25,931 --> 00:07:27,931 I was in charge of my own world. 184 00:07:29,517 --> 00:07:31,103 My brother was very shy. 185 00:07:31,275 --> 00:07:32,655 He was a little bit older than me 186 00:07:32,793 --> 00:07:34,137 in the year above. 187 00:07:34,689 --> 00:07:35,793 They used to say in school, 188 00:07:35,931 --> 00:07:37,724 "He hadn't said a word all term," 189 00:07:38,413 --> 00:07:39,586 and I was the opposite. 190 00:07:39,793 --> 00:07:41,482 I was a mouthy little git. 191 00:07:41,827 --> 00:07:44,620 Joe kept himself out of trouble very cleverly. 192 00:07:44,758 --> 00:07:46,724 I mean, we'd all been in the shit, weren't we? 193 00:07:46,862 --> 00:07:49,103 - Most of the time. - Joe, Joe always, 194 00:07:49,620 --> 00:07:50,793 he knew how to handle people, 195 00:07:50,931 --> 00:07:53,034 even the people that were trying to hurt him. 196 00:07:53,172 --> 00:07:55,931 [dramatic music] 197 00:08:03,758 --> 00:08:06,068 [Harry Belafonte] ♪ Day-o ♪ 198 00:08:06,206 --> 00:08:08,068 ♪ Day-ay-ay-o ♪ 199 00:08:08,206 --> 00:08:11,103 ♪ Work all night on a drink of rum ♪ 200 00:08:11,241 --> 00:08:12,896 - We were put in the Scouts as a good way 201 00:08:13,034 --> 00:08:14,551 of getting out of school for a weekend, 202 00:08:14,689 --> 00:08:16,275 I think was the reason that we joined. 203 00:08:16,413 --> 00:08:19,517 [Belafonte] ♪ Stack banana till the morning come ♪ 204 00:08:19,655 --> 00:08:21,172 - We used to spend a lot of time building camps 205 00:08:21,310 --> 00:08:23,172 and campfires and all that. 206 00:08:23,965 --> 00:08:25,310 [Belafonte] ♪ Come, Mr. Tally man ♪ 207 00:08:25,448 --> 00:08:26,586 ♪ Tally me banana ♪ 208 00:08:26,724 --> 00:08:28,379 [Joe] That's Harry Belafonte with 209 00:08:28,517 --> 00:08:29,586 the magnificent "Day-o." 210 00:08:29,724 --> 00:08:31,517 Takes me back to the old times. 211 00:08:32,137 --> 00:08:33,586 - In all the time that we were at school, 212 00:08:33,724 --> 00:08:35,896 I never met his parents. 213 00:08:36,241 --> 00:08:38,103 It was as if they didn't exist. 214 00:08:38,620 --> 00:08:40,206 They'd go back for holidays. 215 00:08:40,965 --> 00:08:43,413 [bright music] 216 00:08:49,379 --> 00:08:51,034 [Joe] Come in, Africa, are you receiving us? 217 00:08:51,758 --> 00:08:54,482 Now we've got Mzikayifani Buthelezi. 218 00:08:54,620 --> 00:08:58,344 This is the sort of tune that's like honey to the soul. 219 00:08:58,482 --> 00:09:00,517 [upbeat music] 220 00:09:04,413 --> 00:09:06,620 Malawi made a big impression on him. 221 00:09:06,758 --> 00:09:08,034 He liked the people. 222 00:09:08,379 --> 00:09:10,896 I think it just gave him a wider perspective of the world 223 00:09:11,034 --> 00:09:12,172 at a very early age. 224 00:09:13,344 --> 00:09:14,793 - He would always bring stories back at the beginning 225 00:09:14,931 --> 00:09:18,482 of each term, plus a new collection of records. 226 00:09:20,275 --> 00:09:23,275 - I can remember hearing the Rolling Stones coming out 227 00:09:23,413 --> 00:09:26,275 of this huge wooden radio in the day room. 228 00:09:26,448 --> 00:09:29,517 [upbeat rock music] [fans screaming] 229 00:09:42,172 --> 00:09:43,344 - Their sound was so different 230 00:09:43,482 --> 00:09:44,586 from what we were living 231 00:09:44,724 --> 00:09:46,275 in our actual day-to-day reality. 232 00:09:46,413 --> 00:09:48,758 It was the sound of another world. 233 00:09:48,896 --> 00:09:51,620 [rocket blasts] [girls scream] 234 00:09:58,586 --> 00:10:01,103 [Joe] That's the moment I think I decided 235 00:10:01,241 --> 00:10:03,241 to only follow music forever. 236 00:10:03,413 --> 00:10:05,068 That would be the way to live. 237 00:10:07,827 --> 00:10:09,758 I was a lousy student. 238 00:10:09,896 --> 00:10:11,103 [stick knocking] 239 00:10:11,241 --> 00:10:12,206 [donkey braying] 240 00:10:12,344 --> 00:10:14,517 [Joe] I was always last in the class. 241 00:10:14,758 --> 00:10:16,724 My reports would be really terrible, 242 00:10:16,862 --> 00:10:19,310 the worst you can possibly imagine. 243 00:10:19,448 --> 00:10:22,344 My relation with my father was even worse. 244 00:10:23,068 --> 00:10:25,965 I began to dread seeing him, even the once a year, 245 00:10:26,103 --> 00:10:28,344 because the report would arrive in the post 246 00:10:28,482 --> 00:10:30,586 and then all hell would break loose. 247 00:10:31,793 --> 00:10:34,241 I would say from my upbringing that authority 248 00:10:34,379 --> 00:10:37,137 was something to be avoided, if possible, attacked. 249 00:10:37,275 --> 00:10:39,310 If you could get in and attack it and get away 250 00:10:39,448 --> 00:10:42,000 without being burned, I would say that was high 251 00:10:42,137 --> 00:10:43,793 on the list of priorities. 252 00:10:43,931 --> 00:10:45,862 [Rob Tyner] ♪ Kick out the jam, motherfuckers ♪ 253 00:10:46,172 --> 00:10:49,586 ["Kick Out the Jams" by MC5] 254 00:10:51,586 --> 00:10:52,758 ♪ Yeah ♪ 255 00:10:54,413 --> 00:10:55,172 Bastards! 256 00:10:55,310 --> 00:10:56,827 [machine gun fires] 257 00:10:56,965 --> 00:10:59,310 [Tyner] ♪ Well, I feel pretty good and I guess that I could ♪ 258 00:10:59,448 --> 00:11:02,862 [Joe] In 1968, the whole world was exploding. 259 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,344 There was Paris, Vietnam, Grosvenor Square, 260 00:11:06,482 --> 00:11:07,793 a counter-culture. 261 00:11:07,931 --> 00:11:10,655 I think that gave me an edge to put into punk. 262 00:11:10,793 --> 00:11:12,896 It was a great year to come of age. 263 00:11:13,034 --> 00:11:14,655 [woman laughs] 264 00:11:14,793 --> 00:11:16,344 [Tyner] ♪ You gotta have it, baby, you can't do without ♪ 265 00:11:16,827 --> 00:11:19,793 ♪ And when you get that feeling, you gotta sock 'em out ♪ 266 00:11:20,034 --> 00:11:24,206 ♪ Put a mic in my hand and let me kick out the jam ♪ 267 00:11:24,344 --> 00:11:27,068 [music continues] [crowds shouting] 268 00:11:28,241 --> 00:11:30,517 ♪ I'm gonna kick 'em out ♪ 269 00:11:35,344 --> 00:11:37,310 I can see in a way why Joe was the way he was 270 00:11:37,448 --> 00:11:40,551 but I could never understand what happened to David. 271 00:11:40,827 --> 00:11:42,655 - Almost on one day, 272 00:11:42,793 --> 00:11:43,931 you know, you walked into his bedroom. 273 00:11:44,068 --> 00:11:47,931 It changed from being a normal boy's bedroom 274 00:11:48,448 --> 00:11:53,896 into being black, swastikas and fascism and Mein Kampf. 275 00:11:54,034 --> 00:11:56,379 Ultra, ultra right wing. 276 00:11:56,517 --> 00:11:58,551 - David just went into Regents Park one day 277 00:11:58,689 --> 00:12:01,586 and took an overdose of pills, 278 00:12:04,862 --> 00:12:08,034 and finally went onto this little island. 279 00:12:09,379 --> 00:12:13,655 He decided that things weren't satisfactory. 280 00:12:14,896 --> 00:12:16,758 - Joe being the first person to see him 281 00:12:16,896 --> 00:12:20,620 and then had to identify the body which... 282 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,448 must have been a terrifying trauma. 283 00:12:25,724 --> 00:12:27,344 He didn't talk about it. 284 00:12:27,965 --> 00:12:31,896 I think he wanted to kind of keep a lot of stuff at bay, 285 00:12:34,103 --> 00:12:36,931 just keep it at a distance. 286 00:12:37,965 --> 00:12:40,793 [Tim Harden] ♪ I'm the family's unowned boy ♪ 287 00:12:40,931 --> 00:12:43,965 ♪ Golden curls of envied hair ♪ 288 00:12:44,103 --> 00:12:46,931 ♪ Pretty girls with faces fair ♪ 289 00:12:47,068 --> 00:12:50,379 ♪ See the shine in the Black Sheep Boy ♪ 290 00:12:55,034 --> 00:12:56,379 [Joe] And that was the great Tim Harden, 291 00:12:56,517 --> 00:12:59,793 perhaps a lost genius of music with "Black Sheep Boy." 292 00:13:00,103 --> 00:13:03,137 ["See Emily Play" by Pink Floyd] 293 00:13:15,137 --> 00:13:17,827 ♪ There is no other day ♪ 294 00:13:18,758 --> 00:13:21,482 ♪ Let's try it another way ♪ 295 00:13:22,655 --> 00:13:26,103 ♪ You'll lose your mind and play ♪ 296 00:13:26,241 --> 00:13:27,586 [Joe] I just walked straight out of 297 00:13:27,724 --> 00:13:29,931 this dead strict environment where you'd have to, 298 00:13:30,068 --> 00:13:31,793 like, really struggle to get out the gate 299 00:13:31,931 --> 00:13:35,344 and straight into this seething LSD orgy. 300 00:13:36,551 --> 00:13:40,275 [music continues] 301 00:13:48,344 --> 00:13:49,172 No! 302 00:13:51,655 --> 00:13:53,724 [Joe] There was only one answer to what you're gonna do 303 00:13:53,862 --> 00:13:56,000 after school and that is art school, 304 00:13:56,310 --> 00:13:59,034 the last resort of malingerers and bluffers 305 00:13:59,172 --> 00:14:01,517 and people who don't want to work. 306 00:14:03,724 --> 00:14:05,586 [Woody Guthrie] ♪ And the rustlers ♪ 307 00:14:05,724 --> 00:14:10,137 Joe, whose name was John, said, uh, "Oh, my name's Woody." 308 00:14:10,275 --> 00:14:13,689 ♪ In the dead hours of night ♪ 309 00:14:13,827 --> 00:14:15,931 - And I said to him, "Oh, that's interesting. 310 00:14:16,068 --> 00:14:17,241 How'd you get the name Woody?" 311 00:14:17,379 --> 00:14:19,586 And he said, "Oh, I just made it up on the spot." 312 00:14:20,379 --> 00:14:24,379 [Guthrie] ♪ A battle to fight ♪ 313 00:14:24,586 --> 00:14:26,551 - I think 'cause of Woody Guthrie. 314 00:14:26,689 --> 00:14:28,896 I met him at art college on the first day. 315 00:14:29,034 --> 00:14:30,068 We lived together. 316 00:14:30,862 --> 00:14:32,862 He was instantly charismatic. 317 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,344 Everything in the room focused around him. 318 00:14:35,482 --> 00:14:37,482 He always had a different way of putting things, 319 00:14:37,620 --> 00:14:40,448 a different, different angle on things. 320 00:14:42,103 --> 00:14:44,448 - He was thrown out because he did a collage 321 00:14:44,586 --> 00:14:47,965 of used Tampaxes as art. 322 00:14:48,103 --> 00:14:49,724 That was too much for them. 323 00:14:49,862 --> 00:14:53,448 ♪ Bang goes society's door, locked and bolted so secure ♪ 324 00:14:53,586 --> 00:14:56,000 ♪ Once we find our love and trust... ♪ 325 00:14:56,137 --> 00:14:57,862 [Joe] I started to follow a musician around 326 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,275 called Tymon Dogg, D-O double-G, 327 00:15:00,413 --> 00:15:02,517 he had this years before Snoop Doggy Dogg, 328 00:15:02,655 --> 00:15:05,793 first collecting money for him in a London underground 329 00:15:05,931 --> 00:15:08,206 like a Mississippi blues man's apprentice. 330 00:15:08,344 --> 00:15:11,896 - Tymon was a guy who taught and showed Joe 331 00:15:12,034 --> 00:15:14,275 that music was the root. 332 00:15:14,655 --> 00:15:16,344 [Joe] I bought a ukulele because I figured 333 00:15:16,482 --> 00:15:18,137 that had to be easier than a guitar 334 00:15:18,275 --> 00:15:20,068 having only four strings. 335 00:15:20,206 --> 00:15:23,586 When I managed to get some chords together, I was chuffed. 336 00:15:23,724 --> 00:15:27,068 [singer vocalizing] 337 00:15:27,206 --> 00:15:29,413 - When we went down to play at some Tube, 338 00:15:29,551 --> 00:15:31,310 and I said, "Joe, we can't go down 339 00:15:31,448 --> 00:15:35,068 and busk the one song that we know." 340 00:15:35,206 --> 00:15:36,241 And Joe said, "Why? 341 00:15:36,379 --> 00:15:38,931 Because nobody's ever gonna pass twice." 342 00:15:40,448 --> 00:15:43,517 Tymon and Joe were walking around in a park in Kilburn 343 00:15:43,655 --> 00:15:46,724 and they came across a guy who, I think had probably 344 00:15:46,862 --> 00:15:48,586 just come out of mental home. 345 00:15:48,724 --> 00:15:51,000 He was a bit strange and he had nowhere to go 346 00:15:51,137 --> 00:15:53,655 and he was very disoriented and they brought him back 347 00:15:53,793 --> 00:15:55,965 to live with us and he stayed with us for a while. 348 00:15:56,103 --> 00:15:57,620 I remember the name of the guy. 349 00:15:57,758 --> 00:15:58,758 He's called "Savory." 350 00:15:58,896 --> 00:16:01,068 And Joe installs this tramp 351 00:16:01,206 --> 00:16:03,689 with huge generosity in my bedroom. 352 00:16:03,827 --> 00:16:05,931 - When the landlady and landlord found out 353 00:16:06,068 --> 00:16:07,586 about us having this Black guy, 354 00:16:07,724 --> 00:16:10,000 the woman attacked Tymon Dogg with a stiletto heel. 355 00:16:10,137 --> 00:16:12,068 And they just went berserk. 356 00:16:12,275 --> 00:16:14,517 They threw us out, chucked all our gear out the window 357 00:16:14,655 --> 00:16:16,517 and we called the police and said, "Look!" 358 00:16:16,655 --> 00:16:18,310 And they said, "Fuck off, hippies." 359 00:16:19,344 --> 00:16:22,137 I mean, he was bloody impossible to live with, frankly. 360 00:16:22,275 --> 00:16:26,137 You never knew where you were, when you were. 361 00:16:26,275 --> 00:16:29,379 He lived day for night. 362 00:16:29,517 --> 00:16:31,482 He'd go off somewhere to Glastonbury 363 00:16:31,620 --> 00:16:32,793 or to the Isle of Wight 364 00:16:32,931 --> 00:16:35,413 or somewhere and he'd turn up a week later, 365 00:16:35,551 --> 00:16:37,241 completely unaware that you might 366 00:16:37,379 --> 00:16:39,517 have actually expected otherwise. 367 00:16:40,241 --> 00:16:43,620 - They'd had their Summer of Love, and by '72-3, 368 00:16:43,758 --> 00:16:45,103 it was all over. 369 00:16:45,241 --> 00:16:46,620 I always felt that it was like coming on the field 370 00:16:46,758 --> 00:16:49,517 of a great battle 12 hours after the battle was over. 371 00:16:49,655 --> 00:16:51,620 So the casualties were all lying on the field 372 00:16:51,758 --> 00:16:53,586 but the battle was gone. 373 00:16:54,172 --> 00:17:00,137 - ♪ Come on, come on, come on, love is comin' on that train ♪ 374 00:17:00,482 --> 00:17:03,586 ♪ Come on, come on, come on ♪ 375 00:17:03,827 --> 00:17:06,068 ♪ Love is comin' on that train ♪ 376 00:17:06,551 --> 00:17:10,172 ♪ Oh, don't you wanna go ♪ 377 00:17:10,310 --> 00:17:13,827 - He did have a very strong "boy's own" attitude 378 00:17:13,965 --> 00:17:15,172 to things. 379 00:17:15,310 --> 00:17:16,724 He'd have this kind of spirit of adventure. 380 00:17:17,344 --> 00:17:19,172 He'd sleep out under the stars when it 381 00:17:19,310 --> 00:17:21,137 was totally unnecessary and he said, 382 00:17:21,275 --> 00:17:22,827 "I'm gonna be a rock star." 383 00:17:23,620 --> 00:17:24,896 So, he was right. 384 00:17:26,758 --> 00:17:29,413 - ♪ Oh, don't you wanna go ♪ 385 00:17:29,965 --> 00:17:32,172 [Joe] That was Bukka White and it's the syncopation there, 386 00:17:32,310 --> 00:17:35,965 all that provided by one man which I really liked. 387 00:17:36,310 --> 00:17:41,241 - It was very difficult 'cause I still really loved him, 388 00:17:42,620 --> 00:17:45,137 but I knew I had to get away because he was dropping out 389 00:17:45,275 --> 00:17:47,689 and I was absolutely determined to carry on 390 00:17:47,827 --> 00:17:49,241 with art college. 391 00:17:50,137 --> 00:17:52,000 [Joe] And I hitched down to Cardiff and she told me 392 00:17:52,137 --> 00:17:54,137 to shove off and so I started to hitch back 393 00:17:54,275 --> 00:17:56,310 and the first stop-off is Newport 394 00:17:56,586 --> 00:17:58,000 and I had some friends there. 395 00:17:58,137 --> 00:18:00,482 [ship horn honking] 396 00:18:00,862 --> 00:18:04,586 - Newport in 1973 was a very working class town. 397 00:18:04,724 --> 00:18:08,206 You had the second-largest steel works in Newport, 398 00:18:08,344 --> 00:18:10,689 you had the coal mines still active, docks, 399 00:18:10,827 --> 00:18:12,241 there were boats coming out. 400 00:18:12,379 --> 00:18:13,827 As far as the art college, 401 00:18:14,034 --> 00:18:16,655 there's nothing PC about Newport in those days. 402 00:18:16,793 --> 00:18:19,724 You'd go out and there'd be some punch-ups in the streets. 403 00:18:19,862 --> 00:18:21,137 It was a tough place. 404 00:18:21,793 --> 00:18:25,482 He'd come down from the south of England, the leafy suburbs, 405 00:18:25,620 --> 00:18:27,758 and he, suddenly he found himself 406 00:18:27,896 --> 00:18:30,379 in this industrial South Wales town which 407 00:18:30,517 --> 00:18:33,206 was completely alien to anything he'd experienced 408 00:18:33,344 --> 00:18:34,379 in the past. 409 00:18:34,517 --> 00:18:35,551 But he loved it. 410 00:18:36,379 --> 00:18:38,482 [bright music] 411 00:18:38,620 --> 00:18:41,482 - He just appeared one day in the entrance hall 412 00:18:41,620 --> 00:18:43,344 of the college looking for me. 413 00:18:43,586 --> 00:18:45,724 He came with his guitar on his back. 414 00:18:46,517 --> 00:18:48,068 - I had a feeling that he was getting away 415 00:18:48,206 --> 00:18:49,655 from or going to somewhere. 416 00:18:49,793 --> 00:18:51,689 He didn't sort of exactly fit in. 417 00:18:51,965 --> 00:18:53,896 - He used to come back to my bed sit 418 00:18:54,034 --> 00:18:56,551 and we'd just used to literally sit up all night 419 00:18:56,689 --> 00:18:58,931 while I played my records. 420 00:18:59,068 --> 00:19:00,137 ["Somewhere Over the Rainbow" by Israel Kamakawiwo'ole] 421 00:19:00,275 --> 00:19:03,344 [singer vocalizing] 422 00:19:06,827 --> 00:19:08,551 - He just looked at me and he said, 423 00:19:08,689 --> 00:19:11,586 "Is your mother proud of your eyelashes?" 424 00:19:14,344 --> 00:19:17,068 [Joe] That was Israel Kamakawiwo'ole 425 00:19:17,206 --> 00:19:18,620 from Hawai'i. 426 00:19:20,275 --> 00:19:23,172 [metallic clanging] 427 00:19:23,448 --> 00:19:26,586 - He used to sign on and he got various jobs. 428 00:19:27,448 --> 00:19:29,758 - He was working in a carpet factory 429 00:19:29,896 --> 00:19:33,206 and a rubber factory and come back with rubber 430 00:19:33,344 --> 00:19:34,862 all over his hair. 431 00:19:35,827 --> 00:19:38,103 - He took a job in a graveyard. 432 00:19:38,379 --> 00:19:40,517 [Joe] I wasn't strong enough to dig graves. 433 00:19:40,655 --> 00:19:42,172 First morning, they told me to dig a grave. 434 00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:44,965 When they come back, I'd gone down about three inches. 435 00:19:45,379 --> 00:19:48,206 - He'd got the sack when he was found asleep 436 00:19:48,344 --> 00:19:49,689 in the grave. 437 00:19:50,827 --> 00:19:52,413 [Joe] Although I wasn't at the art school, 438 00:19:52,551 --> 00:19:55,000 I'd crash my way into the art school rock band 439 00:19:55,137 --> 00:19:56,931 that became known as The Vultures. 440 00:19:57,172 --> 00:19:58,862 Really make it nasty and homemade, 441 00:19:59,000 --> 00:19:59,793 do you know what I mean? 442 00:19:59,931 --> 00:20:00,793 [guitar strumming] 443 00:20:00,931 --> 00:20:01,862 Do you think it's loud enough? 444 00:20:02,241 --> 00:20:04,137 - This is one of the first songs he wrote. 445 00:20:04,275 --> 00:20:05,310 [Joe] Everybody ready? 446 00:20:05,586 --> 00:20:06,517 Take four. 447 00:20:06,655 --> 00:20:08,344 [instruments playing out of tune] 448 00:20:08,896 --> 00:20:11,689 [Joe] I drew a cartoon saying how brilliant we were. 449 00:20:12,137 --> 00:20:15,551 ♪ I been sittin' here thinkin' in a corner drinkin' ♪ 450 00:20:15,689 --> 00:20:18,931 ♪ A lot of stinking cars and a lot of stinking things ♪ 451 00:20:19,068 --> 00:20:20,827 ♪ He flied all around me like ♪ 452 00:20:20,965 --> 00:20:22,448 ♪ There's a jamboree ♪ 453 00:20:22,586 --> 00:20:23,931 ♪ Then go, I don't mind ♪ 454 00:20:24,068 --> 00:20:25,586 ♪ I don't mind for me ♪ 455 00:20:25,724 --> 00:20:27,137 ♪ But that was all he done there ♪ 456 00:20:27,275 --> 00:20:28,551 [singing indistinctly] 457 00:20:28,689 --> 00:20:29,551 ♪ I'm sorry sir ♪ 458 00:20:29,689 --> 00:20:31,379 [singing indistinctly] 459 00:20:31,965 --> 00:20:33,896 We conned this poor booker to book us 460 00:20:34,034 --> 00:20:37,034 into a big blues club-type place in Bristol. 461 00:20:38,172 --> 00:20:39,586 The crowd weren't having it. 462 00:20:40,241 --> 00:20:42,275 They pelted us with beer glasses. 463 00:20:42,413 --> 00:20:43,896 [crashing and jeering] [cymbal crashes] 464 00:20:44,034 --> 00:20:45,379 So after that night, I just realized I had 465 00:20:45,517 --> 00:20:46,724 to get back to the capital. 466 00:20:48,344 --> 00:20:49,758 And now we're gonna turn over the controls 467 00:20:49,896 --> 00:20:54,448 at the tower here to the great originator of all rap and ting, 468 00:20:54,724 --> 00:20:56,896 Mr. U-Roy, let it roll. 469 00:20:57,241 --> 00:20:59,758 ["Natty Rebel" by U-Roy] 470 00:20:59,896 --> 00:21:01,551 - ♪ 'Stead of fussin' and fightin' ♪ 471 00:21:05,379 --> 00:21:06,965 ♪ Why not get together and live ♪ 472 00:21:07,103 --> 00:21:08,896 ♪ With one love and one I'nity, you know ♪ 473 00:21:09,034 --> 00:21:11,034 - By this time, they had this really huge squat scene 474 00:21:11,172 --> 00:21:12,206 rolling in West Nine. 475 00:21:15,275 --> 00:21:17,103 In 1974, there were rows and rows of buildings 476 00:21:17,241 --> 00:21:20,448 all boarded up by the council and just left to rot. 477 00:21:21,241 --> 00:21:23,517 There were hordes of people in London who couldn't afford 478 00:21:23,655 --> 00:21:24,586 to pay rent. 479 00:21:24,896 --> 00:21:26,931 There was an estate agent's 480 00:21:27,068 --> 00:21:29,448 called The Ruff, Tuff, Cream Puff Agency 481 00:21:29,586 --> 00:21:33,517 which put out a newsletter of available houses. 482 00:21:33,724 --> 00:21:35,793 - 18 Portland Road, West Eleven, 483 00:21:35,931 --> 00:21:37,344 access through the back door. 484 00:21:37,482 --> 00:21:40,000 Has 11 large rooms, but needs enormous attention. 485 00:21:41,068 --> 00:21:42,517 There's a basement flat corried up 486 00:21:42,655 --> 00:21:44,827 at number 10 Paris Square, West Eleven. 487 00:21:45,241 --> 00:21:47,827 And at 56 Pembridge Villas, West Eleven, 488 00:21:47,965 --> 00:21:50,517 is totally corried up except for the basement window 489 00:21:50,655 --> 00:21:52,586 and you need to saw through under the cover 490 00:21:52,724 --> 00:21:54,482 of convenient bushes. 491 00:21:56,068 --> 00:21:57,689 - The only thing to do was to kick in 492 00:21:57,827 --> 00:22:00,689 these abandoned buildings and then live in them. 493 00:22:00,827 --> 00:22:04,000 [U-Roy singing indistinctly] 494 00:22:04,448 --> 00:22:06,827 - Joe decide to open up a squat and went down there 495 00:22:06,965 --> 00:22:10,620 with crowbars and opened up 101 Walterton Road. 496 00:22:10,758 --> 00:22:13,344 [Baaba Maal singing in Pulaar] [bright guitar music] 497 00:22:21,413 --> 00:22:24,034 - It wasn't just squatting because we were down and out. 498 00:22:24,172 --> 00:22:27,275 It was a political act that you can't leave buildings empty 499 00:22:27,413 --> 00:22:28,517 when there are people homeless. 500 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,448 [Joe] Like bathing in the cool water of a fragrant ocean, 501 00:22:35,586 --> 00:22:37,758 and that was the sound of Ernest Ranglin 502 00:22:37,896 --> 00:22:40,448 and the voice of Baaba Maal of Senegal. 503 00:22:40,965 --> 00:22:44,103 I gathered the best people, i.e., people who were completely 504 00:22:44,241 --> 00:22:46,448 out of their minds into one squat 505 00:22:46,586 --> 00:22:48,310 and we formed a rock 'n roll band, 506 00:22:48,448 --> 00:22:49,620 The 101'ers. 507 00:22:52,413 --> 00:22:56,827 ♪ Down the road come a Junco Partner ♪ 508 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,551 - And so a house band got going 509 00:22:58,689 --> 00:23:00,172 and there was about six, seven of us in it. 510 00:23:00,310 --> 00:23:01,620 [Joe singing indistinctly] 511 00:23:01,758 --> 00:23:02,862 - There were some people 512 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,551 running from the regime in Chile. 513 00:23:04,689 --> 00:23:07,000 I had a Chilean drummer called Antonio, 514 00:23:07,137 --> 00:23:10,379 but when he went on holiday, Richard "Snakes" Dudanski, 515 00:23:10,517 --> 00:23:12,379 he took over after Antonio split. 516 00:23:12,758 --> 00:23:14,241 I think he'd heard me banging around. 517 00:23:14,379 --> 00:23:15,379 I had a pair of bongos. 518 00:23:15,517 --> 00:23:16,689 He said, "Look, the drummer's gone. 519 00:23:16,827 --> 00:23:18,034 We got a gig in two weeks." 520 00:23:18,172 --> 00:23:20,551 [Joe] I thought we could mount an attack on stage 521 00:23:20,689 --> 00:23:22,241 and like, actually get paid. 522 00:23:22,448 --> 00:23:25,206 [upbeat rock music] [Joe singing indistinctly] 523 00:23:25,379 --> 00:23:26,758 - They were playing for the scene. 524 00:23:26,896 --> 00:23:27,896 That was their contribution. 525 00:23:28,034 --> 00:23:29,862 Communal entertainment, initially. 526 00:23:30,517 --> 00:23:32,896 - When we get short of enough money for food, 527 00:23:33,862 --> 00:23:37,000 Joe would go out and busk and come back with money 528 00:23:37,137 --> 00:23:39,068 to buy provisions for the whole group. 529 00:23:39,310 --> 00:23:41,620 - And he was, like, half a community. 530 00:23:41,758 --> 00:23:44,137 In fact, Julian was the lead singer. 531 00:23:44,275 --> 00:23:45,551 [Joe] Well, I got him in to sing 532 00:23:45,689 --> 00:23:47,172 'cause I thought I was chronic. 533 00:23:47,310 --> 00:23:49,275 I really did, right, 'cause I thought he was better, right? 534 00:23:49,413 --> 00:23:51,206 And Mickey Foote who was working with me back then, 535 00:23:51,344 --> 00:23:53,310 right, he said, "That other singer you got in, 536 00:23:53,448 --> 00:23:54,862 he just sounds just like you." 537 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,241 I thought, "Well, fuck it." 538 00:23:56,379 --> 00:23:57,965 So I become the singer again. 539 00:23:58,103 --> 00:24:00,551 - You got taken down to the pub for a drink basically, 540 00:24:00,689 --> 00:24:02,896 and then you got told if you'd been fired. 541 00:24:04,586 --> 00:24:06,517 - I remember I had to tell Simon, 542 00:24:06,655 --> 00:24:08,034 Simon the saxophone player. 543 00:24:08,206 --> 00:24:10,000 "We're not having saxophone anymore, Simon." 544 00:24:10,137 --> 00:24:11,482 - We had harsh decisions. 545 00:24:11,620 --> 00:24:14,034 We, you know, we got rid of our mate, Mole, the bass player. 546 00:24:14,206 --> 00:24:16,344 - I remember Joe saying, "Well, 547 00:24:17,206 --> 00:24:19,793 I think we're gonna take Mole for a drink." 548 00:24:20,275 --> 00:24:22,379 - It's the process of forming. You know, that's what happens. 549 00:24:22,793 --> 00:24:25,827 [Joe] I figured out that I'd sacked 48 people once. 550 00:24:27,620 --> 00:24:31,448 - And then my sister came in with her Bolivian boyfriend 551 00:24:31,620 --> 00:24:34,689 and he said the day he saw her, 552 00:24:34,827 --> 00:24:38,137 "I want to make this girl mine," and so he did. 553 00:24:38,517 --> 00:24:40,344 - He took me on a date and he said, 554 00:24:40,482 --> 00:24:41,758 "You see that pub over there? 555 00:24:41,896 --> 00:24:43,103 The Windsor Castle." 556 00:24:43,241 --> 00:24:45,793 He said, "One day we're gonna play there." 557 00:24:46,103 --> 00:24:47,862 - We had the nerve to rent a room 558 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,206 above a pub and charge people 10p to get in. 559 00:24:51,344 --> 00:24:55,413 That's how we learned to play, by doing it for ourselves 560 00:24:55,551 --> 00:24:57,000 which is like a punk ethos. 561 00:24:57,137 --> 00:24:59,068 I mean, you've gotta be able to go out there 562 00:24:59,206 --> 00:25:00,310 and do it for yourself 563 00:25:00,448 --> 00:25:02,482 because no one's gonna give it to you. 564 00:25:02,620 --> 00:25:04,275 ["Shake Your Hips" by the 101'ers] 565 00:25:04,413 --> 00:25:07,827 [Joe] ♪ Wanna tell you 'bout a dance that is goin' around ♪ 566 00:25:09,103 --> 00:25:11,000 ♪ They're doin' it in New York City ♪ 567 00:25:11,448 --> 00:25:13,068 ♪ They're doin' it in South London ♪ 568 00:25:13,724 --> 00:25:15,206 ♪ Don't you lose it, baby ♪ 569 00:25:15,931 --> 00:25:19,172 - It soon became like a real big mashup 570 00:25:19,310 --> 00:25:20,827 [Joe] ♪ Don't use it, baby ♪ 571 00:25:20,965 --> 00:25:22,793 Gypsies would come and rip everybody off. 572 00:25:22,931 --> 00:25:24,206 - Handbags would be flying out 573 00:25:24,344 --> 00:25:25,862 of the window and somebody would be catching them 574 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,137 at the bottom. 575 00:25:27,379 --> 00:25:28,620 [Joe] ♪ New York town ♪ 576 00:25:28,758 --> 00:25:29,862 - We were onstage playing 577 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,862 and the police raided the place. 578 00:25:34,482 --> 00:25:36,551 And they didn't know who to search with all these, 579 00:25:36,689 --> 00:25:39,689 like, filthy squatters and gypsies and God-knows-what 580 00:25:39,827 --> 00:25:40,827 in this room. 581 00:25:41,896 --> 00:25:43,413 Mayhem broke loose. 582 00:25:43,551 --> 00:25:46,965 We carried on playing to this crazy thing going on. 583 00:25:47,620 --> 00:25:50,931 [music continues] [crowd clamoring] 584 00:25:55,137 --> 00:25:56,344 [music ends] [crowd cheering] 585 00:25:56,482 --> 00:25:57,827 Yeah, that was fun. 586 00:25:59,310 --> 00:26:02,586 - He was never bothered about money, never. 587 00:26:03,068 --> 00:26:07,068 Money didn't mean anything to him, but he did like fame. 588 00:26:07,206 --> 00:26:11,689 - He decided to change his name to Joe Strummer 589 00:26:12,275 --> 00:26:14,275 and, of course, it was really difficult for everyone 590 00:26:14,413 --> 00:26:16,172 because we were all saying, "Hey, Woody!" 591 00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:17,586 And he'd just blank you. 592 00:26:17,724 --> 00:26:18,758 He wouldn't respond. 593 00:26:18,896 --> 00:26:21,172 He'd just say, "I'm not called Woody," 594 00:26:21,310 --> 00:26:23,000 you know, "My name's Joe." 595 00:26:23,482 --> 00:26:25,724 - Well, it was either that or Johnny Caramello. 596 00:26:25,965 --> 00:26:28,586 You know, I think Joe Strummer sort of won, 597 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,758 just by a little nose. 598 00:26:31,068 --> 00:26:34,068 [Joe] I still can only play all six strings or none, 599 00:26:34,206 --> 00:26:36,137 and not all the fiddly bits, 600 00:26:36,275 --> 00:26:38,206 which is why I called myself "Joe Strummer." 601 00:26:38,655 --> 00:26:41,241 - Joe was a great inventor of names. 602 00:26:41,379 --> 00:26:43,103 He called me "Snakehips Dudanski." 603 00:26:43,241 --> 00:26:45,241 I got no idea where he got it from. 604 00:26:45,724 --> 00:26:47,068 - He called me "Dick the Shit" 605 00:26:47,206 --> 00:26:48,655 because my Christian name's Richard 606 00:26:48,793 --> 00:26:50,137 and "Richard the Third," 607 00:26:50,275 --> 00:26:53,068 it was "Richard the Turd," then it was "Dick the Shit." 608 00:26:53,206 --> 00:26:55,517 [upbeat rock music] 609 00:26:56,068 --> 00:26:57,551 [Joe] We realized that we had to start writing 610 00:26:57,689 --> 00:26:59,758 our own material so I wrote "Keys to Your Heart" 611 00:27:00,137 --> 00:27:02,931 and I was just overjoyed that it came out good. 612 00:27:03,103 --> 00:27:04,551 - Well, it's a love song, isn't it? 613 00:27:05,448 --> 00:27:06,482 For Paloma. 614 00:27:06,620 --> 00:27:08,068 ["Keys to Your Heart" by The 101'ers] 615 00:27:08,206 --> 00:27:10,827 [Joe] ♪ They say that love can move a mountain ♪ 616 00:27:11,310 --> 00:27:14,206 ♪ Love's gonna bring down trees ♪ 617 00:27:14,620 --> 00:27:17,241 ♪ It's on this that I'm counting ♪ 618 00:27:17,448 --> 00:27:19,655 ♪ 'Cause for your heart ♪ 619 00:27:20,068 --> 00:27:23,310 ♪ I found keys, keys, oh, the keys to ♪ 620 00:27:23,448 --> 00:27:24,931 ♪ Your heart, heart ♪ 621 00:27:25,551 --> 00:27:26,586 ♪ That I got around ♪ 622 00:27:26,724 --> 00:27:28,517 ♪ My chain, chain ♪ 623 00:27:28,896 --> 00:27:31,620 ♪ When the doors come apart, part ♪ 624 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,310 ♪ Now we'll never be the same, same ♪ 625 00:27:34,793 --> 00:27:36,586 ♪ Ah ♪ 626 00:27:41,379 --> 00:27:43,896 [music continues] 627 00:27:55,310 --> 00:27:56,655 ♪ I ♪ 628 00:27:56,931 --> 00:28:02,344 ♪ I changed the lock on your heart and I got the key ♪ 629 00:28:03,413 --> 00:28:05,000 ♪ You call that a crime ♪ 630 00:28:06,620 --> 00:28:07,931 - We'd seen Joe play over 631 00:28:08,068 --> 00:28:10,413 at the Akam Hall and the Windsor Castle 632 00:28:10,551 --> 00:28:12,931 and quite a few other places. 633 00:28:14,482 --> 00:28:17,034 [Joe] ♪ Big, blue policeman, little black book ♪ 634 00:28:17,655 --> 00:28:19,758 ♪ Wrote it down but he didn't look ♪ 635 00:28:19,896 --> 00:28:22,310 - Even members of the Sex Pistols ended up there. 636 00:28:22,448 --> 00:28:24,000 They were watching our stuff while I was unaware 637 00:28:24,137 --> 00:28:25,862 of them because it was the only jumping spot 638 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,896 in West London on a Thursday. 639 00:28:29,310 --> 00:28:31,655 [Joe] ♪ I didn't look, baby ♪ 640 00:28:32,448 --> 00:28:35,034 ♪ I didn't look, baby ♪ 641 00:28:35,172 --> 00:28:37,655 - I liked the band, but Joe was something special. 642 00:28:37,793 --> 00:28:39,448 Best frontman out there. 643 00:28:39,793 --> 00:28:43,206 - The 101'ers were about to be the top band in London. 644 00:28:43,344 --> 00:28:46,206 - They were at a point that they were really making it. 645 00:28:46,344 --> 00:28:47,586 Like, with the Roundhouse, 646 00:28:48,034 --> 00:28:49,586 but that was not really enough for him 647 00:28:49,724 --> 00:28:52,448 and he just felt he needed a breakthrough. 648 00:28:52,586 --> 00:28:53,862 - Get off! 649 00:28:54,206 --> 00:28:55,655 [explosion booming] 650 00:28:55,793 --> 00:28:57,310 - The Pistols had to come in and blow everything away. 651 00:28:57,448 --> 00:28:58,724 They were the stun grenade into the room 652 00:28:58,862 --> 00:29:00,620 before the door could go. 653 00:29:00,827 --> 00:29:02,310 They came out of nowhere and they came 654 00:29:02,448 --> 00:29:04,551 to support us one night at the Nashville Rooms. 655 00:29:04,689 --> 00:29:07,517 [Johnny Rotten singing indistinctly] 656 00:29:07,689 --> 00:29:10,137 [fast-paced rock music] 657 00:29:11,931 --> 00:29:13,655 - It was electrifying. 658 00:29:13,793 --> 00:29:17,034 [singing indistinctly] 659 00:29:20,379 --> 00:29:21,620 - It was that different. 660 00:29:21,758 --> 00:29:24,172 They were like a million years ahead. 661 00:29:29,034 --> 00:29:32,448 - I think Joe was the only one that saw anything in it. 662 00:29:32,965 --> 00:29:35,000 - They destroyed everything that was going on in town. 663 00:29:35,137 --> 00:29:38,551 It was completely over the second they came out on stage. 664 00:29:38,931 --> 00:29:43,275 - I imagine he would have saw us play and then figured, 665 00:29:43,413 --> 00:29:45,827 you know, the rockabilly thing weren't working. 666 00:29:45,965 --> 00:29:47,241 This was the way to go. 667 00:29:47,724 --> 00:29:49,241 - And right at that time, 668 00:29:49,793 --> 00:29:51,206 Bernie Rhodes walks into the gig. 669 00:29:52,517 --> 00:29:54,241 - We went to see him at the Golden Lion, 670 00:29:54,379 --> 00:29:55,689 all of us. 671 00:29:55,827 --> 00:29:57,758 Keith went backstage and went, 672 00:29:59,344 --> 00:30:01,448 "Can we talk to you?" [laughs] 673 00:30:01,655 --> 00:30:03,896 [Joe] I think it was good luck to meet Bernie, 674 00:30:04,034 --> 00:30:05,448 the best bit of luck I ever had. 675 00:30:06,896 --> 00:30:08,931 And he drove me down to Shepherd's Bush. 676 00:30:09,517 --> 00:30:12,275 There, in the rear bedroom, was Mick Jones, 677 00:30:12,689 --> 00:30:14,379 Paul Simonon, Keith Levene. 678 00:30:14,517 --> 00:30:16,344 And me and Bernie walked in and he introduced me 679 00:30:16,482 --> 00:30:18,827 all around and then we sat on whatever bits 680 00:30:18,965 --> 00:30:20,931 of furniture we could find and we kind of stared 681 00:30:21,068 --> 00:30:22,310 at each other. 682 00:30:22,551 --> 00:30:26,275 And he said, "I think you should form a group." 683 00:30:26,793 --> 00:30:27,862 And I thought about it. 684 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,448 I said, "Can you give me 24 hours?" 685 00:30:29,586 --> 00:30:30,793 And he said, "Sure." 686 00:30:30,931 --> 00:30:33,655 - Sid and Keith Levene came to the squat. 687 00:30:34,172 --> 00:30:36,000 There was meetings in rooms and people mumbling 688 00:30:36,137 --> 00:30:37,172 and groaning. 689 00:30:37,448 --> 00:30:38,517 - It was very obvious that 690 00:30:38,655 --> 00:30:40,862 it was two different kinds of people, really. 691 00:30:41,068 --> 00:30:43,586 - He said, "Oh, I just love the way you play guitar." 692 00:30:43,724 --> 00:30:45,586 And I said, "Why don't you be in the band, then?" 693 00:30:45,724 --> 00:30:47,758 And then he went, "I will, I'll do it! I'll do it!" 694 00:30:48,241 --> 00:30:50,482 - That was it. He came out and he said, "Right, that's it. 695 00:30:50,620 --> 00:30:51,793 The 101'ers is finished." 696 00:30:52,413 --> 00:30:54,379 [building crashing] 697 00:30:54,620 --> 00:30:56,758 - It was a bombshell to the rest of the band. 698 00:30:58,379 --> 00:30:59,103 - I mean, I knew. 699 00:30:59,241 --> 00:31:00,655 It was in the air, you know. 700 00:31:00,793 --> 00:31:03,827 The 101'ers were, there was a problem with the bass player. 701 00:31:03,965 --> 00:31:05,655 We'd just got rid of the guitar player. 702 00:31:07,448 --> 00:31:08,758 So, I knew something was happening. 703 00:31:08,896 --> 00:31:10,137 Anyway, the following day, I bumped into Bernie Rhodes 704 00:31:10,275 --> 00:31:11,448 who was there. 705 00:31:11,586 --> 00:31:12,689 - Let me say something really quickly. 706 00:31:12,827 --> 00:31:14,172 - Yeah. - I formed the Sex Pistols, 707 00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:15,344 not Malcolm. 708 00:31:15,482 --> 00:31:16,275 You know that, don't you? - Yeah. 709 00:31:16,413 --> 00:31:17,586 - I found John. - Yeah. 710 00:31:17,724 --> 00:31:18,620 - Auditioned him. - Yeah. 711 00:31:18,758 --> 00:31:20,068 - Put him in the group. 712 00:31:20,206 --> 00:31:22,379 You know, I don't take the credit now, I take it later. 713 00:31:22,517 --> 00:31:25,068 - And it was very clear that he was the kind of guy that... 714 00:31:26,517 --> 00:31:27,655 that called the shots. 715 00:31:28,137 --> 00:31:31,000 - I'm the philosophy of it. I'm the great engine of it. 716 00:31:31,137 --> 00:31:32,241 I am punk. 717 00:31:32,379 --> 00:31:33,724 - Yeah. - Without me, there's nothing. 718 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,586 - I said, "Joe, you know, right, The 101'ers is finished 719 00:31:38,724 --> 00:31:40,551 but I'm not going with this guy." 720 00:31:41,379 --> 00:31:43,241 And he said, "It's not possible, Snakes. 721 00:31:43,379 --> 00:31:45,793 We gotta do it with this guy." And that was it. 722 00:31:46,620 --> 00:31:48,103 [loud crashing] 723 00:31:48,241 --> 00:31:50,482 [Joe] You're either for punk or against it, 724 00:31:51,068 --> 00:31:54,896 and there's still people today that don't talk to me down 725 00:31:55,034 --> 00:31:56,931 in West London for going over to the other side. 726 00:31:57,551 --> 00:31:58,620 [ball crashing] 727 00:31:59,344 --> 00:32:01,482 - To go on to this new bit of his life, he... 728 00:32:03,275 --> 00:32:05,344 he had to stop associating with us, 729 00:32:05,551 --> 00:32:07,655 and that was quite hurtful. 730 00:32:08,206 --> 00:32:12,172 - It was a bit like walking out on a whole lot of beliefs. 731 00:32:14,172 --> 00:32:16,586 The house didn't really last long after that. 732 00:32:18,413 --> 00:32:19,758 [Joe] The day that I joined The Clash 733 00:32:19,896 --> 00:32:24,206 was very much back to square one, Year Zero. 734 00:32:24,344 --> 00:32:26,896 - It was a bold move for me to jump into something different, 735 00:32:27,034 --> 00:32:29,551 two guys in a back room with a squat in Shepherd's Bush. 736 00:32:29,689 --> 00:32:31,758 But I knew, you could tell by looking at them. 737 00:32:31,896 --> 00:32:33,793 You didn't even have to speak to them. 738 00:32:33,931 --> 00:32:35,689 Mick and Paul were different. 739 00:32:41,137 --> 00:32:43,275 I think we started to rehearse that afternoon. 740 00:32:43,413 --> 00:32:46,724 [upbeat rock music] 741 00:32:49,655 --> 00:32:52,758 [Joe] Bernie hired a warehouse off British Rail in Camden town. 742 00:32:52,896 --> 00:32:54,689 Sometimes, Bernie would come down and throw us out 743 00:32:54,827 --> 00:32:56,862 at night and we'd break back in when he'd gone. 744 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,482 We were that keen. 745 00:33:01,068 --> 00:33:05,034 - It was very much being like in a 24-hour gang, you know? 746 00:33:05,172 --> 00:33:06,724 We only had each other. 747 00:33:07,620 --> 00:33:09,689 - I knew I wasn't fitting in and I wanted to be in the band 748 00:33:09,827 --> 00:33:11,758 and it really got me down 'cause I realized, 749 00:33:11,896 --> 00:33:14,413 "Shit, this isn't my band." 750 00:33:14,551 --> 00:33:16,896 [fast-paced rock music] 751 00:33:17,793 --> 00:33:19,344 I left the band. 752 00:33:20,034 --> 00:33:21,137 And then it just worked. 753 00:33:21,275 --> 00:33:23,448 It just made it that it was gonna work. 754 00:33:24,793 --> 00:33:26,827 - Paul was just admitting that he couldn't play 755 00:33:26,965 --> 00:33:28,310 and he admitted to me 756 00:33:28,448 --> 00:33:30,068 that he had no idea what this instrument was, right? 757 00:33:30,517 --> 00:33:33,206 And for a minute I thought, oh, God, a whole room of people 758 00:33:33,344 --> 00:33:35,551 with no idea how to play anything. 759 00:33:37,482 --> 00:33:38,379 - Uhh! 760 00:33:38,758 --> 00:33:40,448 Is Millie supposed to be the producer of this? 761 00:33:40,620 --> 00:33:41,965 - Yeah, he is. 762 00:33:42,103 --> 00:33:43,448 - Get on with it. Cut it in. - You've got to be joking. 763 00:33:43,586 --> 00:33:44,724 - Oi, shut your mouth and cut it in. 764 00:33:44,862 --> 00:33:47,310 [guitar tuning] 765 00:33:48,551 --> 00:33:49,620 Don't tell me to shut my mouth. 766 00:33:49,758 --> 00:33:51,793 - Oi, Mick, come on, do this. 767 00:33:51,931 --> 00:33:53,689 - They'd get really frustrated because I had 768 00:33:53,827 --> 00:33:57,827 to quickly rush over and do all this, "Give us an 'E.'" 769 00:33:58,482 --> 00:34:00,413 [mimics guitar tuning] 770 00:34:01,655 --> 00:34:04,310 [guitar strums] 771 00:34:04,862 --> 00:34:06,275 - He just picked it up. 772 00:34:06,413 --> 00:34:08,034 He could play as good as me in about three weeks. 773 00:34:08,172 --> 00:34:09,517 - One, two, three, four! 774 00:34:09,655 --> 00:34:11,103 [electric guitar music] 775 00:34:11,241 --> 00:34:12,862 - The one who can really play in The Clash 776 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,793 is Mick Jones, more than I'll ever be able to. 777 00:34:15,931 --> 00:34:18,724 ["What's My Name" by The Clash] 778 00:34:21,758 --> 00:34:24,620 - ♪ What the hell is wrong with you ♪ 779 00:34:24,758 --> 00:34:26,344 [Joe singing indistinctly] - ♪ Ohh ♪ 780 00:34:26,482 --> 00:34:27,827 - What happened to your teeth? 781 00:34:27,965 --> 00:34:29,000 [Joe] My teeth? - Yeah. 782 00:34:29,137 --> 00:34:30,344 [Joe] I've never brushed them. 783 00:34:30,517 --> 00:34:32,448 I'm a walking advocate for brushing teeth. 784 00:34:32,586 --> 00:34:33,965 ♪ What's my name ♪ 785 00:34:34,103 --> 00:34:36,448 - ♪ Hey-ey-ey-ey-ey ♪ 786 00:34:36,586 --> 00:34:37,413 [Joe] ♪ What's my name ♪ 787 00:34:37,551 --> 00:34:39,344 - ♪ Hey-ey-ey-ey-ey ♪ 788 00:34:39,482 --> 00:34:40,896 - That was what was good about punk: 789 00:34:41,034 --> 00:34:42,413 if you were ugly, you were in. 790 00:34:42,551 --> 00:34:44,655 [Joe shouting] 791 00:34:47,655 --> 00:34:49,068 - Sounds like a load of shit. 792 00:34:49,724 --> 00:34:51,000 - Sounds great to me. 793 00:34:52,344 --> 00:34:56,689 - At first, we will have to work more and eat less. 794 00:34:56,965 --> 00:34:59,137 - So you know in the next couple of months, 795 00:34:59,275 --> 00:35:02,275 this country's gonna have it really hard the next couple 796 00:35:02,413 --> 00:35:03,137 of years, maybe. 797 00:35:03,620 --> 00:35:05,137 We ain't started yet, right? 798 00:35:05,275 --> 00:35:07,413 But I do believe that if you do it in your own way 799 00:35:07,551 --> 00:35:09,172 and you have two years of hardship, 800 00:35:09,310 --> 00:35:10,275 and I really mean hardship, 801 00:35:10,413 --> 00:35:12,517 you might get out of it all right. 802 00:35:13,137 --> 00:35:14,827 - I'd been writing with The 101'ers 803 00:35:14,965 --> 00:35:17,379 but with no focus or idea what to write about 804 00:35:17,517 --> 00:35:20,655 and Bernie Rhodes said, "Write about what affects you." 805 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,655 - The Clash, for me, right, is a chance 806 00:35:22,793 --> 00:35:24,241 to get some great words going. 807 00:35:24,379 --> 00:35:25,896 And for Mick, he's really into the music. 808 00:35:26,034 --> 00:35:27,379 Like, he can hear arrangements. 809 00:35:27,517 --> 00:35:28,655 You know, he knows what the bass should do, 810 00:35:28,793 --> 00:35:29,931 he knows what the drums should do, 811 00:35:30,068 --> 00:35:31,137 he knows what the guitar should do. 812 00:35:31,275 --> 00:35:32,275 He can hear it in his head, right? 813 00:35:32,413 --> 00:35:33,620 I can't hear that stuff. 814 00:35:34,482 --> 00:35:36,551 All you have to do is look out there to write, 815 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,344 write a song, really. 816 00:35:38,793 --> 00:35:40,413 You know, I mean, it's all out there, isn't it? 817 00:35:42,103 --> 00:35:45,620 What I'd see is a set of words and a tune was sort of there 818 00:35:45,758 --> 00:35:47,172 for me anyway, you know? 819 00:35:47,310 --> 00:35:50,000 I could hear the tune coming out of it. 820 00:35:51,482 --> 00:35:53,551 - There's a roar of the city. 821 00:35:53,689 --> 00:35:55,655 It does sound like our music. 822 00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:57,896 [Joe] ♪ London's burning ♪ 823 00:35:58,034 --> 00:35:59,551 ["London's Burning" by The Clash] 824 00:35:59,965 --> 00:36:02,137 ♪ London's burning ♪ 825 00:36:03,241 --> 00:36:06,517 ♪ London's burning with boredom now ♪ 826 00:36:06,655 --> 00:36:09,724 ♪ London's burning, dial 9-9-9-9-9 ♪ 827 00:36:09,862 --> 00:36:12,758 ♪ London's burning with boredom now ♪ 828 00:36:12,965 --> 00:36:16,000 ♪ London's burning, dial 9-9-9-9-9 ♪ 829 00:36:16,379 --> 00:36:19,586 ♪ All across the town and all across the night ♪ 830 00:36:19,724 --> 00:36:22,620 ♪ Everybody's driving with full headlight ♪ 831 00:36:22,758 --> 00:36:24,689 ♪ You're Black or white, you turn it on ♪ 832 00:36:24,827 --> 00:36:26,172 ♪ You face a new religion ♪ 833 00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:29,586 ♪ Everybody's sitting 'round watching television ♪ 834 00:36:29,793 --> 00:36:32,689 ♪ London's burning with boredom now ♪ 835 00:36:32,827 --> 00:36:36,034 ♪ London's burning, dial 9-9-9-9-9 ♪ 836 00:36:36,172 --> 00:36:37,482 ♪ Come on, come on ♪ 837 00:36:38,517 --> 00:36:40,620 ♪ Yeah, we'll call the shots ♪ 838 00:36:42,586 --> 00:36:43,931 ♪ London's burning ♪ 839 00:36:45,448 --> 00:36:46,931 ♪ Let's call the shots ♪ 840 00:36:49,103 --> 00:36:51,517 ♪ London's burning ♪ 841 00:36:53,655 --> 00:36:56,103 - I really believe that you got to live something 842 00:36:56,517 --> 00:36:59,310 to sing about it in a convincing way. 843 00:36:59,448 --> 00:37:01,862 Whenever you hear a great song, someone's torn 844 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,034 that piece out of their life. 845 00:37:04,172 --> 00:37:06,241 - You couldn't go the full way with Joe. 846 00:37:06,379 --> 00:37:09,827 There was something hidden that was a very deep thing. 847 00:37:10,931 --> 00:37:13,655 - I run up to him and I jump on him. 848 00:37:13,793 --> 00:37:16,586 He's with his cool friends and they're all punked up 849 00:37:16,724 --> 00:37:20,206 and there's this long-haired hippie girl jumping on him. 850 00:37:20,344 --> 00:37:24,344 And so he was kind of different, like, a little awkward 851 00:37:24,482 --> 00:37:25,931 and we never were like that. 852 00:37:26,068 --> 00:37:27,172 We were always very close. 853 00:37:27,551 --> 00:37:31,137 He was just very different, like, troubled and, 854 00:37:31,275 --> 00:37:32,758 like, serious, you know. 855 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,206 He'd say, "These hippies are old farts smoking pot 856 00:37:36,344 --> 00:37:37,793 and all that," and so I changed. 857 00:37:37,931 --> 00:37:39,310 [punk music] 858 00:37:39,448 --> 00:37:42,103 He had encouraged me to be in The Slits. 859 00:37:43,586 --> 00:37:45,758 He was showing me how to play the drums. 860 00:37:46,034 --> 00:37:47,172 He was supportive, 861 00:37:47,620 --> 00:37:51,931 but very soon it became not a good thing between us. 862 00:37:52,862 --> 00:37:54,724 [music continues] 863 00:37:56,034 --> 00:37:57,931 - We were almost Stalinist 864 00:37:58,068 --> 00:37:59,965 in a way that you had to shed all your friends 865 00:38:00,103 --> 00:38:02,655 or everything that you'd known or every way 866 00:38:02,793 --> 00:38:04,586 that you'd played before. 867 00:38:04,724 --> 00:38:06,379 - So that all might see and agree: 868 00:38:06,517 --> 00:38:08,896 The laws are inscribed in a prominent place 869 00:38:09,034 --> 00:38:11,448 to be remembered and obeyed forever. 870 00:38:11,586 --> 00:38:13,206 - I mean, do you have a moralistic view 871 00:38:13,344 --> 00:38:14,862 of anything you do? 872 00:38:15,689 --> 00:38:18,931 - Hmm, yeah, I wouldn't steal money off of a friend. 873 00:38:23,724 --> 00:38:25,413 But I'd steal his girlfriend. 874 00:38:26,413 --> 00:38:28,931 I think too much or not enough. 875 00:38:29,068 --> 00:38:30,379 I mean, I think all the time. 876 00:38:30,517 --> 00:38:32,862 I think thinking is, like, real fun, you know? 877 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,379 I get a lot of fun out of thinking. 878 00:38:34,517 --> 00:38:36,793 I mean, I can't see any other point to getting up 879 00:38:36,931 --> 00:38:38,448 in the morning, doing everything and going 880 00:38:38,586 --> 00:38:39,827 to bed and getting up again. 881 00:38:40,206 --> 00:38:43,448 Just, just thinking it makes it, a point to it, you know? 882 00:38:43,586 --> 00:38:45,034 ["I'm So Bored With the USA" by The Clash] 883 00:38:45,172 --> 00:38:47,551 [all shouting] 884 00:38:58,068 --> 00:39:02,068 - ♪ Yankee detectives are always on the TV ♪ 885 00:39:02,206 --> 00:39:07,137 ♪ 'Cause there's a murder in America about every 10 seconds ♪ 886 00:39:07,413 --> 00:39:09,551 ♪ But don't you think I care ♪ 887 00:39:09,758 --> 00:39:11,586 ♪ About your poncy baseball shirt ♪ 888 00:39:11,931 --> 00:39:15,000 ♪ I'd rather wear nothing than look like ♪ 889 00:39:15,137 --> 00:39:16,000 ♪ I'm ready to bat ♪ 890 00:39:16,827 --> 00:39:21,482 ♪ I'm so bored with the USA ♪ 891 00:39:21,689 --> 00:39:25,482 ♪ I'm so bored with the USA ♪ 892 00:39:25,620 --> 00:39:27,000 ♪ What do I do ♪ 893 00:39:28,620 --> 00:39:29,620 ♪ Do ♪ 894 00:39:30,655 --> 00:39:33,068 ♪ What do I do ♪ 895 00:39:33,758 --> 00:39:34,896 - And then The Clash came along 896 00:39:35,034 --> 00:39:36,000 and I went to see them. 897 00:39:36,137 --> 00:39:37,068 - Happy New Fucking Year. 898 00:39:37,724 --> 00:39:39,172 - "Hi, Joe, it's Dick. 899 00:39:39,344 --> 00:39:40,275 It's Dick!" 900 00:39:40,448 --> 00:39:43,586 And this shutter, you know, came down. 901 00:39:43,724 --> 00:39:46,206 It would have been nice if Joe Strummer had said, 902 00:39:46,344 --> 00:39:48,206 "Hi, Dick, how are you?" But he didn't. 903 00:39:48,379 --> 00:39:50,206 [audience shouting] 904 00:39:50,344 --> 00:39:53,689 - It was almost impossible for him to get out of character 905 00:39:53,827 --> 00:39:55,000 and go back. 906 00:39:57,241 --> 00:39:59,137 The next chapter had started. 907 00:40:00,379 --> 00:40:02,034 - The only way you can really change anything is 908 00:40:02,172 --> 00:40:03,931 if you don't repeat your mistakes 909 00:40:04,137 --> 00:40:06,344 or other people's mistakes, right? 910 00:40:06,482 --> 00:40:08,965 So I can look back at Jagger and all that lot, right, 911 00:40:09,482 --> 00:40:11,413 and I can really pick their mistakes out quite clearly 912 00:40:11,551 --> 00:40:14,137 and I'm determined not to repeat those mistakes. 913 00:40:14,689 --> 00:40:18,379 ["Best Dressed Chicken in Town" by Dr. Alimantado] 914 00:40:19,068 --> 00:40:20,310 - ♪ Yeah ♪ 915 00:40:20,448 --> 00:40:22,206 ♪ The best, the best, the best ♪ 916 00:40:22,344 --> 00:40:24,000 ♪ The best dressed chicken in town ♪ 917 00:40:24,551 --> 00:40:27,034 ♪ The best dressed chicken in the town ♪ 918 00:40:27,172 --> 00:40:29,344 - I value my existence by what I achieve, 919 00:40:29,482 --> 00:40:30,793 you know, by what I create. 920 00:40:30,931 --> 00:40:32,000 That's it. 921 00:40:32,137 --> 00:40:33,827 Creation is everything, you know. 922 00:40:35,896 --> 00:40:36,827 - Yeah. 923 00:40:38,655 --> 00:40:41,689 - Anything special? - No, just blanket coverage. 924 00:40:42,965 --> 00:40:44,448 I don't know what I'm after. 925 00:40:44,586 --> 00:40:46,275 If I knew what I was after, I'd probably wouldn't bother 926 00:40:46,413 --> 00:40:47,655 to go after it. 927 00:40:48,172 --> 00:40:49,379 - Give it a good hammering, Joe! 928 00:40:52,206 --> 00:40:55,206 [singer vocalizing] 929 00:41:01,068 --> 00:41:02,689 [Joe] And this is Joe Strummer'sLondon Calling 930 00:41:02,827 --> 00:41:04,655 on the World Service coming out of one 931 00:41:04,793 --> 00:41:06,620 of these basements we have here in London, 932 00:41:06,758 --> 00:41:08,206 throbbing in the summer heat. 933 00:41:08,344 --> 00:41:10,413 That was "Best Dressed Chicken in the Town" 934 00:41:10,655 --> 00:41:12,172 by Doctor Alimantado. 935 00:41:12,310 --> 00:41:13,931 Well worth checking out him. 936 00:41:14,379 --> 00:41:16,793 - See, kids like me didn't really read newspapers. 937 00:41:16,931 --> 00:41:18,896 He kind of informed us about events that were going on 938 00:41:19,034 --> 00:41:20,206 in the world. 939 00:41:20,344 --> 00:41:21,689 It made us politically aware, I guess. 940 00:41:21,827 --> 00:41:23,862 - One of the things I'd like us to do tonight is 941 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,965 to try to stop loads of kids joining up 942 00:41:26,103 --> 00:41:28,413 to the national front because of ignorance. 943 00:41:28,724 --> 00:41:31,103 ["1977" by The Clash] 944 00:41:35,482 --> 00:41:36,965 ♪ It's 1977 ♪ 945 00:41:38,551 --> 00:41:40,482 ♪ There's knives in West Eleven ♪ 946 00:41:41,413 --> 00:41:43,413 ♪ It ain't so lucky to be rich ♪ 947 00:41:45,068 --> 00:41:47,068 ♪ Sten guns in Knightsbridge ♪ 948 00:41:48,655 --> 00:41:50,689 ♪ Danger, stranger ♪ 949 00:41:51,793 --> 00:41:53,482 ♪ You better paint your face ♪ 950 00:41:54,793 --> 00:41:58,068 ♪ No Elvis, Beatles or the Rolling Stones ♪ 951 00:41:58,206 --> 00:42:00,137 ♪ It's 1977 ♪ 952 00:42:01,206 --> 00:42:03,103 ♪ You're on the never-never ♪ 953 00:42:04,241 --> 00:42:06,310 ♪ You think it can't go on forever ♪ 954 00:42:07,344 --> 00:42:09,551 ♪ But the papers say, "It's better" ♪ 955 00:42:11,206 --> 00:42:12,689 ♪ I don't care ♪ 956 00:42:14,241 --> 00:42:15,655 ♪ I'm not all there ♪ 957 00:42:17,103 --> 00:42:20,310 ♪ No Elvis, Beatles or the Rolling Stones ♪ 958 00:42:20,448 --> 00:42:22,034 ♪ It's 1977 ♪ 959 00:42:23,655 --> 00:42:25,413 ♪ In 1978 ♪ 960 00:42:25,551 --> 00:42:26,862 - ♪ Hate, hate ♪ - [Joe speaks indistinctly] 961 00:42:27,137 --> 00:42:28,517 ♪ In 1979 ♪ 962 00:42:28,655 --> 00:42:29,896 - ♪ Hate, hate, hate ♪ 963 00:42:30,034 --> 00:42:31,551 - ♪ In 1980 ♪ 964 00:42:31,896 --> 00:42:34,896 - ♪ Hate, hate, hate, hate ♪ - ♪ In 1981 ♪ 965 00:42:35,103 --> 00:42:36,620 - ♪ Hate, hate, hate, hate ♪ 966 00:42:36,758 --> 00:42:38,137 - ♪ In 1982 ♪ 967 00:42:38,275 --> 00:42:39,827 - ♪ Hate, hate, hate ♪ 968 00:42:39,965 --> 00:42:41,241 - ♪ In 1983 ♪ 969 00:42:41,586 --> 00:42:43,379 [chanting continues] 970 00:42:43,517 --> 00:42:44,931 - ♪ In 1984 ♪ 971 00:42:46,448 --> 00:42:48,172 - Big Brother really is here. 972 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,689 It's worse now than ever, even your oyster card. 973 00:42:54,827 --> 00:42:55,862 They can tell where you were. 974 00:42:56,620 --> 00:42:58,000 They can tell where you're going. 975 00:42:58,655 --> 00:43:00,241 I haven't got one. 976 00:43:01,068 --> 00:43:03,172 - There was a moment where the world stopped. 977 00:43:03,310 --> 00:43:05,965 I mean, everything just stopped. 978 00:43:06,896 --> 00:43:09,034 1976, 1977. 979 00:43:09,413 --> 00:43:16,103 Suddenly, ideas became more important than guitar solos and 980 00:43:17,241 --> 00:43:20,896 a certain integrity became more important 981 00:43:21,034 --> 00:43:24,206 than driving a Rolls Royce into a swimming pool. 982 00:43:24,689 --> 00:43:27,931 Rock stars were like Greek gods. 983 00:43:28,206 --> 00:43:29,827 You were lucky to be in the room with them. 984 00:43:30,206 --> 00:43:31,965 - Oh, look, that's me! 985 00:43:32,448 --> 00:43:34,034 That's me there! 986 00:43:34,862 --> 00:43:38,137 - All that came to an end after The Clash. 987 00:43:38,275 --> 00:43:39,517 [gun firing] 988 00:43:39,655 --> 00:43:42,103 There was a feeling that if The Clash could do it, 989 00:43:42,241 --> 00:43:43,103 you could do it. 990 00:43:43,241 --> 00:43:45,172 [feedback whines] 991 00:43:45,310 --> 00:43:48,655 - I just want to preserve, right, my personal freedom. 992 00:43:48,793 --> 00:43:51,275 I just want the right to choose, right? 993 00:43:51,413 --> 00:43:54,241 I'm, it ain't no use me having the right to choose, right, 994 00:43:54,379 --> 00:43:56,413 and not everybody else to have it, right? 995 00:43:56,551 --> 00:43:57,827 Everyone's gotta have it. 996 00:43:59,689 --> 00:44:01,793 - I just thought, I joined a band to go to parties 997 00:44:01,931 --> 00:44:04,931 and have fun, not to argue about politics night and day. 998 00:44:05,586 --> 00:44:07,413 It would feel like me versus everyone else. 999 00:44:07,724 --> 00:44:09,172 That's why I left 1000 00:44:09,310 --> 00:44:11,172 because it's such a grueling onslaught the whole time. 1001 00:44:11,310 --> 00:44:14,034 - Mick found Topper and Topper came down 1002 00:44:14,172 --> 00:44:15,793 and it just smoked. 1003 00:44:15,931 --> 00:44:18,827 ["Garageland" by The Clash] 1004 00:44:24,965 --> 00:44:26,620 - It wasn't the sort of music I was into. 1005 00:44:27,137 --> 00:44:28,551 You know, when punk first started, 1006 00:44:28,689 --> 00:44:30,793 it was against all the music that I was into. 1007 00:44:32,103 --> 00:44:35,137 And I thought, well, I'll join, make my name 1008 00:44:35,275 --> 00:44:37,172 and then move on to play proper music. 1009 00:44:37,724 --> 00:44:40,482 Paul said, "We gotta cut your hair off," then Joe said, 1010 00:44:40,620 --> 00:44:41,379 "We gotta dye it." 1011 00:44:41,517 --> 00:44:43,172 I went home to me wife, right. 1012 00:44:43,310 --> 00:44:45,551 I left her in the morning with long hair and flares 1013 00:44:46,068 --> 00:44:48,655 and I went home with short and spiky blond hair and zits. 1014 00:44:50,034 --> 00:44:52,000 And I called him Woody for some reason. 1015 00:44:52,137 --> 00:44:53,689 But I know the reason, okay? 1016 00:44:54,689 --> 00:44:56,241 Joe had little pointed ears at the top 1017 00:44:56,379 --> 00:44:58,379 and I thought he looked like Woody Woodpecker. 1018 00:44:58,517 --> 00:45:00,517 Now, I didn't know that he'd been called Woody in, 1019 00:45:00,655 --> 00:45:03,068 before and I said, "Oi, Woody!" 1020 00:45:03,413 --> 00:45:06,034 And he went, "Don't ever fucking call me that." 1021 00:45:06,862 --> 00:45:08,793 And I thought, God, he's sensitive. 1022 00:45:08,965 --> 00:45:10,620 ["Garageland" by The Clash] - Fuck off! 1023 00:45:11,413 --> 00:45:15,931 ♪ I don't want to hear about what the rich are doing ♪ 1024 00:45:16,068 --> 00:45:21,000 ♪ I don't want to go to where, where the rich are going ♪ 1025 00:45:22,931 --> 00:45:24,655 - It's not a bad thing to have The Clash 1026 00:45:24,793 --> 00:45:27,137 be your first ever rock show. 1027 00:45:28,310 --> 00:45:30,034 - ♪ You look very punk ♪ 1028 00:45:30,172 --> 00:45:33,482 - 17 years old, hanging out with my mates. 1029 00:45:33,620 --> 00:45:36,896 We got into Trinity College Dublin. 1030 00:45:37,034 --> 00:45:38,896 At the back of the stage, they had a picture 1031 00:45:39,034 --> 00:45:42,275 from the first album which was a load of bobbies 1032 00:45:42,413 --> 00:45:44,137 running down the street with truncheons, 1033 00:45:44,482 --> 00:45:48,241 which was what was going on in London with the race riots. 1034 00:45:48,620 --> 00:45:51,896 Well, in Ireland, it looked like Belfast, 1035 00:45:52,103 --> 00:45:58,310 so it was a very, very, very tense moment 1036 00:45:58,827 --> 00:46:01,103 as this backdrop was opened up. 1037 00:46:01,241 --> 00:46:02,482 [crowd cheering] 1038 00:46:02,620 --> 00:46:05,275 - We'd like to roll the tanks, cue the Air Force, 1039 00:46:06,103 --> 00:46:07,689 roll the Army and the Navy. 1040 00:46:07,827 --> 00:46:10,482 - And there was... 1041 00:46:11,724 --> 00:46:15,137 a real sense of jeopardy. 1042 00:46:16,137 --> 00:46:18,413 There was a violence in the air. 1043 00:46:18,724 --> 00:46:21,724 I was terrified, I was excited 1044 00:46:22,275 --> 00:46:28,655 and rock 'n' roll was not entertainment in that moment. 1045 00:46:28,896 --> 00:46:31,000 It was not a matter of life or death, 1046 00:46:31,137 --> 00:46:32,620 something much more serious. 1047 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,172 - One, two, three, four. 1048 00:46:34,310 --> 00:46:35,517 ["Blitzkrieg Bop" by Ramones] 1049 00:46:35,827 --> 00:46:37,275 [overlapping singing] 1050 00:46:37,413 --> 00:46:39,689 - So me and my mates stayed up trying to figure out 1051 00:46:39,827 --> 00:46:42,000 how we could all be in bands that meant 1052 00:46:42,137 --> 00:46:43,068 as much as The Clash. 1053 00:46:43,275 --> 00:46:44,275 - ♪ Let's go ♪ 1054 00:46:44,793 --> 00:46:46,034 ♪ Hey, ho ♪ 1055 00:46:46,172 --> 00:46:47,034 ♪ Let's go ♪ 1056 00:46:47,172 --> 00:46:49,655 ♪ Hey, ho, let's go ♪ 1057 00:46:49,793 --> 00:46:51,724 ♪ They're forming in a straight line ♪ 1058 00:46:52,517 --> 00:46:54,137 ♪ They're going through a tight wind ♪ 1059 00:46:55,275 --> 00:46:57,275 ♪ The kids are losing their minds ♪ 1060 00:46:57,482 --> 00:46:58,482 ♪ Blitzkrieg bop ♪ 1061 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,827 - Being in the right time at the right place 1062 00:47:00,965 --> 00:47:03,241 with the right shit, it's just explosive. 1063 00:47:03,379 --> 00:47:06,172 It was like pirates slashing their way through. 1064 00:47:06,482 --> 00:47:08,206 - We just got completely out of control. 1065 00:47:08,344 --> 00:47:10,034 - ♪ Blitzkrieg bop ♪ 1066 00:47:10,310 --> 00:47:12,172 - We had crews of people stealing cars, 1067 00:47:12,310 --> 00:47:14,655 hopping rides, just following this thing. 1068 00:47:14,862 --> 00:47:16,448 ♪ They're piling in the backseats ♪ 1069 00:47:16,931 --> 00:47:19,275 ♪ They're generating steam heat ♪ 1070 00:47:19,827 --> 00:47:21,689 ♪ Pulsating to the backbeat ♪ 1071 00:47:21,827 --> 00:47:23,137 ♪ Blitzkrieg bop ♪ 1072 00:47:23,275 --> 00:47:24,793 - I remember once a local TV station came 1073 00:47:24,931 --> 00:47:27,172 to shoot us in the dressing room before the show. 1074 00:47:27,310 --> 00:47:29,586 We always used to let people in because, hey, 1075 00:47:29,724 --> 00:47:32,275 the audience were our friends, you know what I mean? 1076 00:47:32,413 --> 00:47:33,793 And behind me, it was like one of these jokes 1077 00:47:33,931 --> 00:47:36,206 where 19 people get out of a baby car. 1078 00:47:36,344 --> 00:47:38,827 Someone had opened the dressing room window 1079 00:47:38,965 --> 00:47:40,482 and people were climbing in from the alley 1080 00:47:40,620 --> 00:47:43,827 and there was like, I'm not joking, 50 people,[laughs] 1081 00:47:43,965 --> 00:47:47,241 climbing through this window like a Charlie Chaplin movie. 1082 00:47:47,379 --> 00:47:49,448 - ♪ Hey, ho, let's go ♪ 1083 00:47:49,655 --> 00:47:52,241 ♪ Hey, ho, let's go ♪ 1084 00:47:52,379 --> 00:47:55,103 ♪ Hey, ho, let's go ♪ 1085 00:47:55,275 --> 00:47:58,068 [all screaming and cheering] 1086 00:47:59,620 --> 00:48:01,241 [Joe] All right, "Blitzkrieg Bop" 1087 00:48:01,379 --> 00:48:02,793 by the godfathers of punk rock. 1088 00:48:02,965 --> 00:48:04,655 Ladies and gentlemen, the Ramones. 1089 00:48:05,655 --> 00:48:07,620 - If the kids didn't have money to get home, 1090 00:48:07,758 --> 00:48:09,206 he'd give 'em money to get home. 1091 00:48:09,344 --> 00:48:11,034 If they didn't have money for drinks at the pub, 1092 00:48:11,172 --> 00:48:12,965 he'd give 'em money for drinks. 1093 00:48:14,344 --> 00:48:15,586 - The police would wait 1094 00:48:15,724 --> 00:48:17,241 till we were driving across the mountains. 1095 00:48:17,379 --> 00:48:19,137 After a few motels, we'd started 1096 00:48:19,275 --> 00:48:21,931 to borrow the pillows 'cause it made it easier sitting 1097 00:48:22,068 --> 00:48:24,310 in a coach seat overnight, if you had a pillow. 1098 00:48:24,448 --> 00:48:25,931 So when they couldn't find any drugs, 1099 00:48:26,068 --> 00:48:27,793 the police searched the bus and they came up 1100 00:48:27,931 --> 00:48:30,000 with something like 30 pillows. 1101 00:48:30,137 --> 00:48:32,896 And then they found hundreds of hotel room keys. 1102 00:48:33,137 --> 00:48:34,620 - And they said, "Right, that's theft," 1103 00:48:34,965 --> 00:48:36,206 and then they threatened to charge every one 1104 00:48:36,344 --> 00:48:38,172 of us individually with one each 1105 00:48:38,310 --> 00:48:39,931 and keep us there all night. 1106 00:48:40,379 --> 00:48:41,931 I said, "Joe," I said, "I'll do the pillows, 1107 00:48:42,068 --> 00:48:43,482 you take the rap for the keys." 1108 00:48:43,620 --> 00:48:45,413 And we were locked in the same cell for, like, three nights. 1109 00:48:45,827 --> 00:48:47,344 - You're going to room 101. 1110 00:48:47,517 --> 00:48:49,482 - We really got close and we just talked honestly 1111 00:48:49,620 --> 00:48:51,827 and I got to speak to the real Joe. 1112 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,448 Now, every time I've spoken to him before, 1113 00:48:53,586 --> 00:48:55,517 there were people watching or people listening, 1114 00:48:55,655 --> 00:48:57,000 then he wouldn't drop the act. 1115 00:48:57,137 --> 00:48:58,758 We both said we were scared because at the time, 1116 00:48:58,896 --> 00:49:00,655 they were making a big thing about the punk thing 1117 00:49:00,793 --> 00:49:02,448 and we thought, you know, we might end up 1118 00:49:02,586 --> 00:49:04,172 in more trouble than we were really in. 1119 00:49:04,517 --> 00:49:06,000 You know, we just got honest with each other. 1120 00:49:06,413 --> 00:49:09,068 He still had this thing about, he was a punk rocker 1121 00:49:09,206 --> 00:49:10,758 but he'd been to a public school. 1122 00:49:11,517 --> 00:49:13,896 That always fucked him up right from the beginning, 1123 00:49:14,034 --> 00:49:15,241 you know? 1124 00:49:15,379 --> 00:49:16,862 - I don't care what he's from, he ain't a phony, 1125 00:49:17,379 --> 00:49:18,413 you know what I mean? 1126 00:49:18,551 --> 00:49:20,275 And he weren't acting of a role. 1127 00:49:21,206 --> 00:49:23,655 You know, he believed what he was doing. 1128 00:49:25,482 --> 00:49:27,137 - I think Gaby started going out with Joe 1129 00:49:27,275 --> 00:49:30,034 and I just remember this guy walking around the flat, 1130 00:49:30,172 --> 00:49:31,965 our council flat, with his shoulders up here 1131 00:49:32,103 --> 00:49:34,103 in his black leather jacket, mumbling. 1132 00:49:34,241 --> 00:49:35,344 He never said much. 1133 00:49:36,758 --> 00:49:38,172 They moved to Ladbroke Grove. 1134 00:49:38,310 --> 00:49:39,931 I'd go there and then I got to know Joe 1135 00:49:40,068 --> 00:49:41,482 and he was a great host. 1136 00:49:41,620 --> 00:49:43,862 He was a brilliant host, making sure everybody had something 1137 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,862 to drink and chairs to sit on. 1138 00:49:47,448 --> 00:49:50,034 - Coming from a family of diplomats, he'd been taught, 1139 00:49:50,172 --> 00:49:53,379 you know, to bring out the cocktails for other guests 1140 00:49:53,517 --> 00:49:55,379 when he was staying with his parents. 1141 00:49:56,137 --> 00:49:57,517 - Hey, Mick. - Yeah? 1142 00:49:57,655 --> 00:49:59,896 - You want some LSD? - Yeah. 1143 00:50:02,344 --> 00:50:03,827 - Better have three. - Yeah. 1144 00:50:04,103 --> 00:50:06,034 - If you want to really get out there. 1145 00:50:08,241 --> 00:50:10,586 - I definitely believe, because of punk, 1146 00:50:10,724 --> 00:50:12,620 that you can have whatever you want, you know. 1147 00:50:12,758 --> 00:50:14,310 You can say, "Fuck off, this is what I think." 1148 00:50:15,068 --> 00:50:17,586 I definitely think that's what formulated me as an artist. 1149 00:50:17,965 --> 00:50:19,379 - I was a Clash fan. 1150 00:50:19,517 --> 00:50:20,965 Seen them in '78. 1151 00:50:21,103 --> 00:50:23,379 They came and played at the Apollo and there was a riot. 1152 00:50:23,586 --> 00:50:27,758 The bouncers, they were big Glasgow thugs 1153 00:50:27,896 --> 00:50:29,758 who really hated the punks. 1154 00:50:30,206 --> 00:50:32,379 The Clash had to keep stopping the gig. 1155 00:50:33,379 --> 00:50:35,068 - I couldn't sing if I felt that people 1156 00:50:35,206 --> 00:50:37,344 were being brutally mistreated. 1157 00:50:38,655 --> 00:50:40,413 - They're fucking dancing! 1158 00:50:40,758 --> 00:50:42,655 - All right, listen. - They're dancing, not fighting! 1159 00:50:42,965 --> 00:50:45,448 - I really loved them because they stood up to the bouncers. 1160 00:50:45,827 --> 00:50:47,517 - The audience are your friends 1161 00:50:47,655 --> 00:50:49,000 and you know better than them. 1162 00:50:49,172 --> 00:50:50,413 We were one with the audience. 1163 00:50:50,551 --> 00:50:52,344 You should never feel above anyone. 1164 00:50:52,482 --> 00:50:53,482 ["White Riot] by The Clash] 1165 00:50:53,620 --> 00:50:55,137 - ♪ To go to jail ♪ 1166 00:50:55,758 --> 00:50:57,931 ♪ White riot, I wanna riot ♪ 1167 00:50:58,068 --> 00:51:00,000 ♪ White riot, a riot of my own ♪ 1168 00:51:00,344 --> 00:51:02,620 ♪ White riot, I wanna riot ♪ 1169 00:51:02,758 --> 00:51:04,896 ♪ White riot, a riot of my own ♪ 1170 00:51:05,034 --> 00:51:07,000 ♪ White riot, I wanna riot ♪ 1171 00:51:07,379 --> 00:51:09,275 ♪ White riot, a riot of my own ♪ 1172 00:51:09,413 --> 00:51:10,517 [mic whines with feedback] 1173 00:51:10,655 --> 00:51:12,448 - When punk first started, 1174 00:51:12,586 --> 00:51:15,758 it didn't seem particularly Black friendly. 1175 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,689 ["Police and Thieves" by The Clash] 1176 00:51:19,827 --> 00:51:21,689 And so when The Clash's first album came out 1177 00:51:21,827 --> 00:51:23,379 and they got "Police and Thieves" on there 1178 00:51:23,517 --> 00:51:25,517 and they'd got singing from the carnival, 1179 00:51:26,103 --> 00:51:28,586 it sort of made punk accessible to me. 1180 00:51:28,724 --> 00:51:31,551 - ♪ Police and thieves in the street ♪ 1181 00:51:31,689 --> 00:51:33,310 - Felt like it was a way of saying 1182 00:51:33,448 --> 00:51:35,482 "Yeah, you know, come in, this is for you as well." 1183 00:51:37,758 --> 00:51:40,000 - White music has always taken from Black music. 1184 00:51:40,137 --> 00:51:42,206 The difference was with people like The Clash 1185 00:51:42,344 --> 00:51:45,206 is that Strummer and Jones were inspired by 1186 00:51:45,965 --> 00:51:47,482 people that were living next door. 1187 00:51:47,965 --> 00:51:49,655 So the effect was a lot more direct. 1188 00:51:50,275 --> 00:51:54,241 ♪ White youth, Black youth ♪ 1189 00:51:54,793 --> 00:51:58,275 ♪ Better find another solution ♪ 1190 00:52:00,034 --> 00:52:01,896 And they were saying "You can't hear the words." 1191 00:52:03,310 --> 00:52:05,413 But the words are really great, you know? 1192 00:52:05,551 --> 00:52:07,172 Really great and you can't hear them. 1193 00:52:08,620 --> 00:52:10,344 Don't you think that's ironic? 1194 00:52:10,482 --> 00:52:11,655 - Joe had a way with words. 1195 00:52:11,793 --> 00:52:13,413 His sense of narrative and drama. 1196 00:52:13,551 --> 00:52:16,172 Joe would have more ideas in a rhyming couplet 1197 00:52:16,310 --> 00:52:18,448 than some people have on their whole fucking album. 1198 00:52:19,103 --> 00:52:20,862 - I really connected with Joe's lyrics, 1199 00:52:21,241 --> 00:52:25,000 anti-establishment, anti-military, anti-work, 1200 00:52:26,448 --> 00:52:28,586 especially the anti-work bit, you know? 1201 00:52:28,724 --> 00:52:30,793 Because I was working in a factory then. 1202 00:52:30,931 --> 00:52:32,034 I thought, am I gonna have to do this 1203 00:52:32,172 --> 00:52:33,000 for the rest of my life? 1204 00:52:33,827 --> 00:52:36,275 [music continues] 1205 00:52:36,827 --> 00:52:40,896 - ♪ Punk rockers in the UK ♪ 1206 00:52:41,413 --> 00:52:43,034 ♪ They won't notice ♪ 1207 00:52:43,172 --> 00:52:45,379 - This is why we came up with so much idealism 1208 00:52:45,517 --> 00:52:47,241 because we feel we was gonna need that much 1209 00:52:47,379 --> 00:52:50,103 to combat a situation like being rich and famous. 1210 00:52:50,241 --> 00:52:51,931 - All I had was those blokes. 1211 00:52:52,068 --> 00:52:53,896 I had to do something with them, right? 1212 00:52:54,034 --> 00:52:55,413 I did as much as I could. 1213 00:52:55,793 --> 00:52:58,275 - Now, I used to consider Bernie as a pain in the ass. 1214 00:52:58,793 --> 00:53:00,137 He always just seemed to be stirring it up. 1215 00:53:00,275 --> 00:53:01,655 He always wanted trouble. 1216 00:53:01,793 --> 00:53:05,620 - Joe, I didn't realize was such a coward, right? 1217 00:53:05,931 --> 00:53:09,517 Mick, I didn't realize was such an egomaniac. 1218 00:53:09,724 --> 00:53:14,034 Paul, I didn't realize was such a pussy-whipped guy 1219 00:53:14,172 --> 00:53:16,000 and the other one, I couldn't stand. 1220 00:53:16,586 --> 00:53:17,965 - He called me, what was it? 1221 00:53:18,172 --> 00:53:19,689 - Provincial tosser. 1222 00:53:20,448 --> 00:53:21,620 - 'Cause I came from Dover. 1223 00:53:22,586 --> 00:53:23,758 - Bernie got sacked. 1224 00:53:24,448 --> 00:53:26,241 All of a sudden we were on our own, 1225 00:53:26,689 --> 00:53:28,655 as if like Daddy had gone away 1226 00:53:29,586 --> 00:53:31,586 and I think this is where we proved ourselves. 1227 00:53:31,758 --> 00:53:34,862 ["London Calling" by The Clash] 1228 00:53:35,620 --> 00:53:38,965 - We stayed in some shit hole in Pimlico for five months. 1229 00:53:39,172 --> 00:53:40,413 We were in trouble. 1230 00:53:40,551 --> 00:53:41,896 We'd lost our management. 1231 00:53:42,034 --> 00:53:45,206 We just sat there every day and wrote and wrote 1232 00:53:45,344 --> 00:53:47,413 and we got that thing down so good, we ran into a studio 1233 00:53:47,551 --> 00:53:49,137 and we knocked the whole thing off in, like, 1234 00:53:49,275 --> 00:53:51,344 three weeks and two days. 1235 00:53:53,137 --> 00:53:56,379 - ♪ London calling to the faraway towns ♪ 1236 00:53:56,517 --> 00:54:00,068 ♪ Now war is declared and battle come down ♪ 1237 00:54:00,206 --> 00:54:03,586 ♪ London calling to the underworld ♪ 1238 00:54:03,724 --> 00:54:07,310 ♪ Come out of the cupboard, you boys and girls ♪ 1239 00:54:07,448 --> 00:54:08,862 ♪ London calling ♪ 1240 00:54:09,068 --> 00:54:10,517 ♪ Now don't lecture us ♪ 1241 00:54:11,034 --> 00:54:14,379 ♪ Phony Beatlemania has bitten the dust ♪ 1242 00:54:14,586 --> 00:54:18,206 ♪ London calling, see, we ain't got no swing ♪ 1243 00:54:18,344 --> 00:54:21,448 ♪ Except for the reign of that truncheon thing ♪ 1244 00:54:21,931 --> 00:54:24,896 ♪ The Ice Age is coming, the sun's zooming in ♪ 1245 00:54:25,413 --> 00:54:28,551 ♪ Meltdown expected, the wheat is growing thin ♪ 1246 00:54:29,068 --> 00:54:30,724 ♪ Engines stop running ♪ 1247 00:54:30,862 --> 00:54:35,724 ♪ But I have no fear 'cause London is drowning and I ♪ 1248 00:54:36,275 --> 00:54:38,137 ♪ Live by the river ♪ 1249 00:54:38,655 --> 00:54:40,413 - At the time, I was living right by the Thames. 1250 00:54:40,551 --> 00:54:42,206 I was following a lot of the doom prophecies. 1251 00:54:42,344 --> 00:54:44,206 You know, the scientists having a big argument 1252 00:54:44,344 --> 00:54:45,862 about who's right and who's wrong. 1253 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,206 One lot was saying, "The Ice Age is coming" 1254 00:54:48,344 --> 00:54:49,517 and then another lot was saying, 1255 00:54:49,655 --> 00:54:51,034 "We're gonna collide with the sun," 1256 00:54:51,172 --> 00:54:52,448 making you feel like, I'm just an ant. 1257 00:54:52,586 --> 00:54:53,758 Is it worth living? 1258 00:54:53,896 --> 00:54:55,275 But then they were going on, 1259 00:54:55,413 --> 00:54:56,896 "Well, you better watch out down there on the Thames. 1260 00:54:57,034 --> 00:54:58,620 You're due for a flood on the spring tide 1261 00:54:58,758 --> 00:55:00,034 and you're all gonna drown." 1262 00:55:00,344 --> 00:55:01,862 I was cheering myself up by putting 1263 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,344 all these ridiculous things into one basket. 1264 00:55:04,758 --> 00:55:06,310 - Played it to Mick and he said he loved the song. 1265 00:55:06,448 --> 00:55:08,275 He tapped the lyric sheet with his finger. 1266 00:55:08,413 --> 00:55:09,724 He told me to write the message 1267 00:55:09,862 --> 00:55:12,172 that we were gonna call out around the world. 1268 00:55:12,310 --> 00:55:14,655 - ♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh ♪ 1269 00:55:15,689 --> 00:55:16,931 ♪ Oh, oh, oh ♪ 1270 00:55:17,068 --> 00:55:19,068 - We needed to break out and reach America. 1271 00:55:19,206 --> 00:55:20,310 - ♪ Now get this ♪ 1272 00:55:21,137 --> 00:55:23,827 ♪ London calling, yes, I was there too ♪ 1273 00:55:24,034 --> 00:55:27,827 ♪ And you know what they said, well, some of it was true ♪ 1274 00:55:28,034 --> 00:55:31,448 ♪ London calling at the top of the dial ♪ 1275 00:55:31,586 --> 00:55:35,137 ♪ And after all this, won't you give me a smile ♪ 1276 00:55:35,275 --> 00:55:37,206 ♪ London calling ♪ 1277 00:55:42,620 --> 00:55:45,310 ♪ I never felt so much alive, alive, alive ♪ 1278 00:55:49,310 --> 00:55:54,931 - It says "The Sex Pistols landed here, in 1869." 1279 00:55:56,379 --> 00:55:58,000 We're not particularly talented, we try hard. 1280 00:55:58,137 --> 00:55:59,379 - What is it in terms of the energy? 1281 00:55:59,517 --> 00:56:00,724 I mean, you put on more energy. 1282 00:56:01,137 --> 00:56:02,931 [Joe] We give it all we got, that's all. 1283 00:56:03,068 --> 00:56:04,068 It's as simple as that. 1284 00:56:04,206 --> 00:56:05,448 Everybody's used to paying eight dollars 1285 00:56:05,586 --> 00:56:08,551 and getting half measures and, like, going home satisfied. 1286 00:56:08,724 --> 00:56:10,689 Well, in England, they gave up being satisfied 1287 00:56:10,827 --> 00:56:12,172 three years ago. 1288 00:56:12,517 --> 00:56:14,344 You gotta give it all you got or forget it. 1289 00:56:14,758 --> 00:56:16,655 [strumming bluesy song] 1290 00:56:18,310 --> 00:56:20,379 - He knew the, the culture of America, 1291 00:56:20,517 --> 00:56:25,413 he knew the literature, he knew the music of it 1292 00:56:25,965 --> 00:56:27,689 backwards and forwards. 1293 00:56:27,827 --> 00:56:29,517 And so we hit it off immediately. 1294 00:56:30,344 --> 00:56:32,517 [guitar music continues] 1295 00:56:34,137 --> 00:56:36,620 - Here was this unlikely meeting of guys 1296 00:56:36,758 --> 00:56:40,103 that grew up thousands of miles apart 1297 00:56:40,241 --> 00:56:42,241 but the same things moved us. 1298 00:56:43,137 --> 00:56:46,068 ♪ Robbing - people with a six gun ♪ 1299 00:56:46,206 --> 00:56:49,034 ♪ I fought the law and the, the law won ♪ 1300 00:56:49,172 --> 00:56:50,655 ♪ I fought the law ♪ 1301 00:56:50,793 --> 00:56:52,931 - He was passionate, he sang every word like he meant it. 1302 00:56:54,172 --> 00:56:58,172 He sang about things that were deep down in his soul. 1303 00:56:58,310 --> 00:57:01,586 He sang about injustices and he sang about everything 1304 00:57:01,724 --> 00:57:03,965 as if it was urgent. 1305 00:57:04,862 --> 00:57:06,482 - ♪ Guess my race is run ♪ 1306 00:57:06,793 --> 00:57:08,655 - I don't know if his politics could be separate 1307 00:57:08,793 --> 00:57:09,931 from his art. 1308 00:57:10,068 --> 00:57:11,344 They're kind of a spiritual politics. 1309 00:57:11,482 --> 00:57:13,206 He didn't ask you to just question authority, 1310 00:57:13,344 --> 00:57:16,034 he asked you to really explore the very nature of authority. 1311 00:57:16,172 --> 00:57:17,344 What does it mean to be free? 1312 00:57:17,482 --> 00:57:20,275 - ♪ I fought the law and the law won ♪ 1313 00:57:20,413 --> 00:57:22,931 ♪ I fought the law and the law won ♪ 1314 00:57:23,137 --> 00:57:26,275 - ♪ Yeah, I fought the law and the, the law won ♪ 1315 00:57:26,482 --> 00:57:29,103 ♪ I fought the law and the, the law won ♪ 1316 00:57:29,586 --> 00:57:32,586 ♪ I fought the law and the, the law won ♪ 1317 00:57:32,724 --> 00:57:34,551 ♪ I fought the law but ♪ 1318 00:57:37,448 --> 00:57:40,206 [crowd cheering] 1319 00:57:47,448 --> 00:57:49,034 - I suppose the initial effect The Clash 1320 00:57:49,172 --> 00:57:53,000 had on me was... was the proper effect. 1321 00:57:54,689 --> 00:57:58,310 You know, you were experiencing a sincerity, 1322 00:57:59,275 --> 00:58:02,793 not only in the lyrics but in the music as well. 1323 00:58:02,931 --> 00:58:07,137 You know, there was a, there was a truth in the attack. 1324 00:58:08,172 --> 00:58:10,551 - They sort of pretended that they hated America, 1325 00:58:10,689 --> 00:58:14,482 but Joe loved cowboy stuff and big cars 1326 00:58:14,896 --> 00:58:18,655 and big pizzas and when you went to the bar, 1327 00:58:18,793 --> 00:58:19,931 a single was a double. 1328 00:58:20,068 --> 00:58:21,379 [glass breaks] [men shout] 1329 00:58:21,517 --> 00:58:23,103 - "Honey, I forgot to duck." 1330 00:58:23,241 --> 00:58:25,517 - So there was a lot of things that they liked about America. 1331 00:58:27,137 --> 00:58:29,206 - I came out of the Vietnam war 1332 00:58:29,931 --> 00:58:34,827 and I was very much into people's liberation struggles. 1333 00:58:34,965 --> 00:58:38,206 In '76, they got very involved with the Sandinistas. 1334 00:58:38,344 --> 00:58:40,206 - It was a sort of teenage revolution 1335 00:58:40,344 --> 00:58:43,068 where there were people actually, for once, took control 1336 00:58:43,206 --> 00:58:45,448 of their own country for the first time. 1337 00:58:46,034 --> 00:58:48,034 - I was given, as a gift, 1338 00:58:48,172 --> 00:58:50,448 these streetfighting scarves that they used in Esteli, 1339 00:58:50,586 --> 00:58:52,965 Esteli's a small town in Nicaragua, 1340 00:58:53,103 --> 00:58:55,965 so that the Somoza troops wouldn't know who they were. 1341 00:58:56,103 --> 00:58:57,862 Then I gave these to Joe and Nick. 1342 00:58:58,103 --> 00:58:59,655 - We decided to call the recordSandinista 1343 00:58:59,793 --> 00:59:01,620 to redress the lack of information 1344 00:59:01,758 --> 00:59:02,862 that was in the papers. 1345 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,068 - I never knew who the Sandinistas were 1346 00:59:05,206 --> 00:59:06,793 or where Nicaragua was. 1347 00:59:06,931 --> 00:59:10,068 The lyrics of Joe Strummer were like an atlas: 1348 00:59:10,206 --> 00:59:13,793 They opened up the world to me and to other people 1349 00:59:13,931 --> 00:59:16,275 who came from a kind of blank suburbia. 1350 00:59:16,724 --> 00:59:20,310 - ♪ It's up to you not to heed the call up ♪ 1351 00:59:20,448 --> 00:59:22,172 ♪ I don't want to die ♪ 1352 00:59:24,482 --> 00:59:28,241 ♪ It's up to you not to heed the call up ♪ 1353 00:59:28,379 --> 00:59:30,137 ♪ I don't want to kill ♪ 1354 00:59:33,931 --> 00:59:35,896 - As soon as the people got hold of the idea that, 1355 00:59:36,034 --> 00:59:37,413 "All right, it's punk. 1356 00:59:37,551 --> 00:59:38,965 We get it.[growls] 1357 00:59:39,103 --> 00:59:40,275 We got it!" 1358 00:59:40,413 --> 00:59:42,620 And then when we started to play other things, 1359 00:59:42,758 --> 00:59:45,310 you get a lot of abuse, especially in Britain. 1360 00:59:48,344 --> 00:59:50,482 - My favorite Clash record isSandinista, 1361 00:59:50,620 --> 00:59:52,344 and the whole concept of that record, 1362 00:59:52,482 --> 00:59:53,965 of people standing up for their brothers and sisters 1363 00:59:54,103 --> 00:59:55,482 and not taking any shit. 1364 00:59:55,620 --> 00:59:57,724 There's, like, the same ethos of punk rock, 1365 00:59:58,379 --> 00:59:59,689 but they couldn't have been my favorite band 1366 00:59:59,827 --> 01:00:01,724 of all time if every record hadn't grown 1367 01:00:01,862 --> 01:00:03,241 and hadn't gotten better and hadn't changed. 1368 01:00:03,379 --> 01:00:05,931 And it's the biggest inspiration for me with our band, 1369 01:00:06,068 --> 01:00:08,034 with the Chili Peppers, I mean, 'cause there's, 1370 01:00:08,172 --> 01:00:10,482 like, there's no point in carrying on 1371 01:00:10,620 --> 01:00:11,758 if you don't have something new to say. 1372 01:00:13,034 --> 01:00:16,275 - ♪ Over Kiev and down to the sea ♪ 1373 01:00:16,413 --> 01:00:19,206 - Sandinista, the triple for the price of one. 1374 01:00:19,344 --> 01:00:21,413 - We wanted it released for a low price 1375 01:00:21,551 --> 01:00:24,551 because we felt that records were generally overpriced. 1376 01:00:24,689 --> 01:00:26,206 - And that's when the record company freaked. 1377 01:00:26,413 --> 01:00:28,793 They were quite happy to bury that one, I think. 1378 01:00:29,344 --> 01:00:30,862 - You learned a lot about life, 1379 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,000 getting shafted royally. 1380 01:00:33,310 --> 01:00:35,068 - And anyway, afterSandinista, 1381 01:00:35,206 --> 01:00:37,413 I realized that I wanted Bernie back. 1382 01:00:37,965 --> 01:00:40,206 I still think Bernie's a creative individual 1383 01:00:40,344 --> 01:00:42,413 and I was missing his inputs. 1384 01:00:43,206 --> 01:00:45,034 - It was a question of either Joe was gonna leave 1385 01:00:45,172 --> 01:00:46,448 or Bernie came back. 1386 01:00:46,896 --> 01:00:48,000 So Bernie came back. 1387 01:00:48,965 --> 01:00:50,034 - With a vengeance. 1388 01:00:50,172 --> 01:00:51,758 - The Clash, it was a rusty old wreck 1389 01:00:51,896 --> 01:00:54,965 and I had to grab it and do it up and put my engine in it, 1390 01:00:55,103 --> 01:00:56,655 my updated engine in it. 1391 01:00:56,793 --> 01:00:59,310 - Would you like to interview our manager while he's here? 1392 01:00:59,793 --> 01:01:01,206 Catch him while he's-- - Bernie. 1393 01:01:01,344 --> 01:01:02,344 - Bernie. - Bernie. 1394 01:01:03,310 --> 01:01:05,068 - Leave him, leave him, shh. 1395 01:01:05,206 --> 01:01:06,241 - So that's Bernie Rhodes. 1396 01:01:06,379 --> 01:01:07,655 - Sorry about that. Come back. 1397 01:01:07,827 --> 01:01:12,482 - He invented punk, it's obviously too much for him. 1398 01:01:12,689 --> 01:01:14,758 - The Clash became like a family. 1399 01:01:14,896 --> 01:01:16,379 It was like warring brothers. 1400 01:01:16,517 --> 01:01:18,206 I think the others kind of looked up to Joe. 1401 01:01:18,344 --> 01:01:19,931 Joe was like the big brother. 1402 01:01:20,275 --> 01:01:22,172 He was a bit older, I think that made a difference, 1403 01:01:22,310 --> 01:01:24,931 and he was probably the most forceful. 1404 01:01:27,172 --> 01:01:29,379 - Then we found our greatest success 1405 01:01:29,517 --> 01:01:31,206 in commercial terms. 1406 01:01:32,103 --> 01:01:35,482 - The Clash invade America, nextOff the Record. 1407 01:01:35,724 --> 01:01:38,655 [trumpet music] 1408 01:01:41,275 --> 01:01:43,103 - People still hate us in England for making it 1409 01:01:43,241 --> 01:01:44,310 in America. 1410 01:01:44,448 --> 01:01:45,862 Somebody had to break out and prove 1411 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,689 that this thing was a global thing. 1412 01:01:48,827 --> 01:01:50,068 It wasn't just a neighborhood thing. 1413 01:01:50,241 --> 01:01:53,103 [crowd cheering] 1414 01:01:59,448 --> 01:02:00,896 - Only half the people could get in. 1415 01:02:01,034 --> 01:02:02,551 They started rioting in Times Square. 1416 01:02:02,896 --> 01:02:04,103 It was right across the states, 1417 01:02:04,241 --> 01:02:05,379 the first time since Frank Sinatra 1418 01:02:05,517 --> 01:02:07,620 that they had to close off Times Square. 1419 01:02:07,758 --> 01:02:09,379 - It's a madhouse in there. 1420 01:02:09,724 --> 01:02:10,965 It's crazy in there! 1421 01:02:11,482 --> 01:02:12,862 - The bond's manager, Joel Hallard, 1422 01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:14,862 denied his club had done anything wrong. 1423 01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,793 - [stammering] I cannot say that we overbooked. 1424 01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:19,137 - All over New York, 1425 01:02:19,275 --> 01:02:20,482 you could hear our stuff coming out. 1426 01:02:20,620 --> 01:02:22,344 There was a Black mix of "Mag Seven"... 1427 01:02:22,482 --> 01:02:24,172 ["Magnificent Seven" by The Clash] 1428 01:02:24,310 --> 01:02:25,896 ...that was coming out of every ghetto blaster 1429 01:02:26,034 --> 01:02:27,551 in the city every hour. 1430 01:02:29,275 --> 01:02:31,344 That summer, that moment, we had New York. 1431 01:02:32,586 --> 01:02:34,379 - ♪ You lot ♪ - ♪ What ♪ 1432 01:02:34,517 --> 01:02:36,448 ♪ Don't stop, give it all you got ♪ 1433 01:02:36,586 --> 01:02:39,482 - It was a romance that The Clash had with New York 1434 01:02:39,620 --> 01:02:41,000 at that period in time. 1435 01:02:41,413 --> 01:02:43,413 I remember bumping into a guy called Jack Checker. 1436 01:02:43,724 --> 01:02:45,586 He was a cab driver and he told me 1437 01:02:45,724 --> 01:02:48,068 that they weren't like other rock stars 1438 01:02:48,206 --> 01:02:49,448 who came to New York. 1439 01:02:49,586 --> 01:02:51,896 Their limousine was Jack Checker's cab. 1440 01:02:52,034 --> 01:02:54,620 - Oh, he just wanted to see the city, wanted to see Harlem, 1441 01:02:54,758 --> 01:02:56,551 he wanted to see Brooklyn. 1442 01:02:56,689 --> 01:02:58,827 He just wanted to see the people and inter-react 1443 01:02:58,965 --> 01:03:00,068 with the people. 1444 01:03:00,206 --> 01:03:01,344 - Does this man deserve to be in jail? 1445 01:03:01,482 --> 01:03:05,137 [all chanting and singing] 1446 01:03:05,517 --> 01:03:07,034 - ♪ You lot ♪ - ♪ What ♪ 1447 01:03:07,172 --> 01:03:09,827 - I mean, they, they took New York and all the artists 1448 01:03:09,965 --> 01:03:12,310 wanted to see them and wanted to check them out. 1449 01:03:13,103 --> 01:03:15,241 - The Clash was a revelation. 1450 01:03:15,379 --> 01:03:19,206 It took us back to the first, the first excitement 1451 01:03:19,344 --> 01:03:21,034 of hearing rock 'n' roll for the first time. 1452 01:03:21,172 --> 01:03:22,896 - And all that sound about Raging Bull. 1453 01:03:23,034 --> 01:03:24,448 - Interestingly enough, inRaging Bull, 1454 01:03:24,586 --> 01:03:26,275 the music that is there is music from the '40s 1455 01:03:26,413 --> 01:03:28,482 and '50s and opera, 1456 01:03:28,620 --> 01:03:32,275 but the place I went for the source for creativity 1457 01:03:32,413 --> 01:03:33,931 came from The Clash, really. 1458 01:03:34,344 --> 01:03:37,068 [crowd cheers] [camera shutters snap] 1459 01:03:37,896 --> 01:03:40,206 - I did see The Clash at Bond's 1460 01:03:40,896 --> 01:03:43,862 and Grandmaster Flash opened for them 1461 01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:45,965 and they were practically booed off the stage. 1462 01:03:46,103 --> 01:03:47,068 - It was crazy, like, 3,000 people. 1463 01:03:47,206 --> 01:03:48,172 Like, "Everybody say, 'Ho!'" 1464 01:03:48,310 --> 01:03:51,000 And it was like, "Fuck you!" Say, "Yeah!" 1465 01:03:51,137 --> 01:03:52,379 "Get the fuck out of here!" 1466 01:03:52,793 --> 01:03:54,034 - When The Clash came out, 1467 01:03:54,551 --> 01:03:57,620 Joe reprimanded the whole place, you know, and said, 1468 01:03:57,758 --> 01:03:59,448 "You know, you gotta give him a chance. 1469 01:03:59,586 --> 01:04:01,551 You know, you gotta fucking, you gotta listen," 1470 01:04:01,758 --> 01:04:03,137 you know, like, "Don't do that!" 1471 01:04:03,724 --> 01:04:05,896 You know, and the whole crowd was, like, "Oh, shit! 1472 01:04:06,068 --> 01:04:08,172 Strummer just, like, did a number on us." 1473 01:04:08,655 --> 01:04:09,965 [camera shutters snap] 1474 01:04:10,103 --> 01:04:11,793 - Even when I'm vomiting on a carpet in an airport, 1475 01:04:11,931 --> 01:04:13,655 he was standing up for me, having a go 1476 01:04:13,793 --> 01:04:15,068 at the journalists, saying, "He's ill. 1477 01:04:15,206 --> 01:04:16,137 Leave him alone." 1478 01:04:16,275 --> 01:04:18,137 - Shut up, will you, you stupid cunt! 1479 01:04:18,758 --> 01:04:20,310 - Oh, thanks very much-- 1480 01:04:20,448 --> 01:04:22,517 - Yeah, that's what you deserve with that sort of crap. 1481 01:04:22,655 --> 01:04:23,793 What do you think we are? 1482 01:04:23,931 --> 01:04:25,206 Do you think this is 1976 and you're talking 1483 01:04:25,344 --> 01:04:26,724 to the Sex Pistols? 1484 01:04:26,862 --> 01:04:29,448 Piss off or I'll fucking piss all over you. 1485 01:04:30,517 --> 01:04:31,758 If he feels like throwing up, 1486 01:04:31,896 --> 01:04:33,517 it's because his stomach hurts. 1487 01:04:34,206 --> 01:04:37,137 He don't need your jokes to fucking contend with. 1488 01:04:37,275 --> 01:04:40,551 If you haven't got something serious to say, piss off! 1489 01:04:41,034 --> 01:04:42,172 - But it is serious. 1490 01:04:42,551 --> 01:04:44,655 - Well, you tell me about life and death, 1491 01:04:44,793 --> 01:04:47,517 never mind who pukes on stinking carpets. 1492 01:04:48,344 --> 01:04:51,689 - ♪ The dance is going all night long ♪ 1493 01:04:52,413 --> 01:04:54,000 - There were parts of his character 1494 01:04:54,137 --> 01:04:55,379 that I didn't like. 1495 01:04:55,517 --> 01:04:56,827 I'd have my girlfriend on the road with me. 1496 01:04:56,965 --> 01:04:59,379 Had a big argument with her somewhere and said, 1497 01:04:59,517 --> 01:05:01,137 "Right, well, you're not sleeping in my room." 1498 01:05:01,827 --> 01:05:03,517 I woke up the next morning, she had spent the night 1499 01:05:03,655 --> 01:05:07,482 with Joe, you know, and that kind of really hurt. 1500 01:05:08,068 --> 01:05:10,172 I felt really betrayed, and he did it with me, 1501 01:05:10,310 --> 01:05:12,448 did it with other people as well, you know? 1502 01:05:12,827 --> 01:05:14,206 We'd lost that unity. 1503 01:05:14,344 --> 01:05:17,068 I was already starting to disappear up my own ass. 1504 01:05:17,862 --> 01:05:19,103 Joe was having doubts. 1505 01:05:19,241 --> 01:05:21,034 Think he was already becoming embarrassed 1506 01:05:21,172 --> 01:05:22,551 by the fact we were so successful 1507 01:05:22,689 --> 01:05:25,034 and Mick wouldn't travel on the bus unless he had a spliff. 1508 01:05:25,172 --> 01:05:28,413 - Everybody's got their weaknesses, you know? [laughs] 1509 01:05:29,724 --> 01:05:33,517 - ♪ I'm-a having a nervous breakdown ♪ 1510 01:05:33,827 --> 01:05:35,517 - We got so fed up with each other. 1511 01:05:35,655 --> 01:05:37,068 We'd been living in each other's pockets 1512 01:05:37,206 --> 01:05:38,241 for a year, full year. 1513 01:05:38,379 --> 01:05:39,724 We never had a holiday. 1514 01:05:40,068 --> 01:05:41,310 Groups now have a holiday. 1515 01:05:41,448 --> 01:05:43,896 They go away, they get their heads together. 1516 01:05:44,034 --> 01:05:44,965 We never had any of that. 1517 01:05:45,103 --> 01:05:47,068 We just continually worked. 1518 01:05:48,517 --> 01:05:50,068 - And Mick thought if he didn't want 1519 01:05:50,206 --> 01:05:51,655 to play "White Riot," none of us could. 1520 01:05:51,793 --> 01:05:54,137 - ♪ Nervous breakdown ♪ 1521 01:05:54,275 --> 01:05:59,655 - I made a comment, which was probably out of order 1522 01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,758 and probably shouldn't have said it, but I did 1523 01:06:01,896 --> 01:06:04,344 and that's what sparked the whole thing. 1524 01:06:04,482 --> 01:06:06,655 It was directly related to his... 1525 01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:09,724 presence on the stage. 1526 01:06:10,379 --> 01:06:13,758 [Joe] You know, "You've got no respect for the stage." 1527 01:06:13,896 --> 01:06:16,758 I said, "Don't fucking tell me about the stage." 1528 01:06:17,517 --> 01:06:20,517 And then he threw his vodka and orange in my face. 1529 01:06:20,724 --> 01:06:22,172 - ♪ You're a total wreck ♪ 1530 01:06:22,482 --> 01:06:23,896 [Joe] So I hit him as hard as I could 1531 01:06:24,034 --> 01:06:26,241 in the center of the forehead. [laughs] 1532 01:06:26,586 --> 01:06:30,310 - [laughs] It was one fuck of a punch 1533 01:06:30,448 --> 01:06:31,896 and it drew blood, you know? 1534 01:06:32,068 --> 01:06:34,586 That's what people called "musical differences," ain't it? 1535 01:06:34,758 --> 01:06:36,620 Mick didn't like "White Riot." 1536 01:06:37,620 --> 01:06:40,448 But Joe looked as shocked as Mick did. 1537 01:06:40,758 --> 01:06:42,344 "Fuck me, what have I done here," you know? 1538 01:06:42,482 --> 01:06:46,620 - ♪ I'm-a having a nervous breakdown ♪ 1539 01:06:46,896 --> 01:06:48,655 [Joe] Well, I'm no boxer, but I guess that 1540 01:06:48,793 --> 01:06:51,586 was a triple-hook combination with a double uppercut. 1541 01:06:51,724 --> 01:06:53,620 Eddie Cochran there, "Nervous Breakdown." 1542 01:06:53,758 --> 01:06:55,137 - And then it was over and the next thing, 1543 01:06:55,275 --> 01:06:56,413 I was laughing my head off. 1544 01:06:56,827 --> 01:06:58,862 [audience laughs] 1545 01:06:59,862 --> 01:07:01,689 - Suddenly, you're onSaturday Night Live, 1546 01:07:01,827 --> 01:07:04,448 you get onJohnny Carson, you're on talk shows. 1547 01:07:04,586 --> 01:07:06,344 We weren't prepared, funnily enough, 1548 01:07:06,517 --> 01:07:09,275 after all the years of struggle to actually be there. 1549 01:07:09,413 --> 01:07:11,137 Everybody began to get big-headed. 1550 01:07:11,275 --> 01:07:13,034 [audience shouting] 1551 01:07:13,206 --> 01:07:14,689 - It was just falling apart. 1552 01:07:14,827 --> 01:07:16,517 Never at any one time were the four of us 1553 01:07:16,655 --> 01:07:18,068 in the studio at the same time. 1554 01:07:18,448 --> 01:07:20,206 I'd turn up at Electric Ladyland Studios 1555 01:07:20,344 --> 01:07:21,724 and no one was there. 1556 01:07:21,862 --> 01:07:23,413 I've got this idea on the piano. 1557 01:07:23,551 --> 01:07:25,517 If I put the drums down and I put the piano 1558 01:07:25,655 --> 01:07:27,344 over the top and when the others come in, 1559 01:07:27,482 --> 01:07:29,034 I can say this is my idea. 1560 01:07:29,172 --> 01:07:31,758 So I put the drums down, put the piano down 1561 01:07:31,896 --> 01:07:33,379 and still no one was there. 1562 01:07:33,517 --> 01:07:34,758 So I picked up the bass 1563 01:07:34,896 --> 01:07:37,310 and put the bass down quickly and I did the percussion 1564 01:07:37,448 --> 01:07:39,586 and by the time they came, I said, 1565 01:07:39,724 --> 01:07:40,827 "Listen, I've got this idea." 1566 01:07:40,965 --> 01:07:42,172 And I played it 1567 01:07:42,310 --> 01:07:43,620 to them and it was, it was virtually completed. 1568 01:07:43,758 --> 01:07:45,517 It was Joe that actually said, "Well, that's brilliant." 1569 01:07:45,793 --> 01:07:47,000 - Bernie came in and he said, 1570 01:07:47,137 --> 01:07:48,931 "Why does everything have to be a raga?" 1571 01:07:49,068 --> 01:07:50,413 And we went, "What?" 1572 01:07:50,551 --> 01:07:52,586 He said, "Everything's going on for six minutes. 1573 01:07:52,724 --> 01:07:55,034 How are we gonna get this stuff on a record?" 1574 01:07:55,310 --> 01:07:58,896 And then he left, and we started to laugh about the raga. 1575 01:07:59,034 --> 01:08:01,344 I went back to the Iroquois Hotel on 44th 1576 01:08:01,482 --> 01:08:03,482 and it was already daylight again. 1577 01:08:03,655 --> 01:08:05,172 I had a typewriter in the room 1578 01:08:05,379 --> 01:08:07,000 and I went over to the typewriter and I typed, 1579 01:08:07,137 --> 01:08:08,793 "Now the king told the boogie men, 1580 01:08:08,931 --> 01:08:10,655 'You have to let that raga drop.'" 1581 01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,724 I was tired out of my mind and that paper sticking 1582 01:08:13,862 --> 01:08:15,689 out of the typewriter was irresistible. 1583 01:08:15,827 --> 01:08:17,827 I just sat down and I did the whole lyric 1584 01:08:17,965 --> 01:08:19,379 to "Rock the Casbah." 1585 01:08:19,517 --> 01:08:22,517 There's no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism. 1586 01:08:22,655 --> 01:08:24,655 That's what I was trying to say in "Rock the Casbah." 1587 01:08:24,931 --> 01:08:26,275 - Mick and Joe's relationship 1588 01:08:26,413 --> 01:08:28,068 had become really difficult, you know. 1589 01:08:28,206 --> 01:08:29,965 We used to drive around there and he used 1590 01:08:30,103 --> 01:08:32,137 to post lyrics through the letterbox. 1591 01:08:32,275 --> 01:08:34,413 He didn't want to see him, he didn't want to write with him. 1592 01:08:34,793 --> 01:08:37,068 - I got worried at that point that Mick 1593 01:08:37,206 --> 01:08:39,379 would lead us into disaster 1594 01:08:39,517 --> 01:08:42,000 through his complete idealism and refusal 1595 01:08:42,137 --> 01:08:45,896 to compromise in order to operate in the real world. 1596 01:08:46,034 --> 01:08:48,448 [funk music playing] 1597 01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:54,827 - You know, Mick's an emotional guy who wears his heart 1598 01:08:54,965 --> 01:08:56,517 on his sleeve and, quite often, was the fall guy 1599 01:08:56,655 --> 01:08:59,862 for things that Joe was actually responsible for. 1600 01:09:00,206 --> 01:09:03,379 Mick took a lot of undue flak and that was Joe doing 1601 01:09:03,517 --> 01:09:05,586 his Machiavellian maneuvering number so 1602 01:09:05,724 --> 01:09:06,931 that he wasn't the bad guy. 1603 01:09:07,068 --> 01:09:08,448 - Well, we're not very good at making life 1604 01:09:08,586 --> 01:09:09,344 easy for ourselves. 1605 01:09:09,482 --> 01:09:10,551 We never have been. 1606 01:09:10,862 --> 01:09:14,793 We keep going because, like, we are the real McCoy. 1607 01:09:15,034 --> 01:09:17,551 We're not just gonna fold up and in a few weeks, 1608 01:09:17,689 --> 01:09:19,172 you wonder what all that was about. 1609 01:09:19,310 --> 01:09:21,896 We're gonna be here and continue and get harder 1610 01:09:22,034 --> 01:09:26,206 and rougher and tough, dreader than dread, you know? 1611 01:09:26,482 --> 01:09:28,000 - It was the eve of the tour. 1612 01:09:28,172 --> 01:09:29,551 The tickets in the UK 1613 01:09:29,689 --> 01:09:33,000 were not selling that well, so Bernie Rhodes said, 1614 01:09:33,137 --> 01:09:34,931 "Look, you've got to disappear." 1615 01:09:35,068 --> 01:09:36,413 I said, "Well, Bernie, 1616 01:09:36,551 --> 01:09:38,379 if you really think I should disappear, I will. 1617 01:09:38,517 --> 01:09:39,827 Where do you want me to disappear to?" 1618 01:09:39,965 --> 01:09:41,758 And he said, "Well, I don't know. 1619 01:09:42,137 --> 01:09:43,413 Go to Austin, Texas. 1620 01:09:43,551 --> 01:09:44,862 You know, that, that fellow there, 1621 01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:46,448 Joe Ely, the country singer." 1622 01:09:46,931 --> 01:09:49,379 I said, "Okay, Bernie, I'll be seeing you." 1623 01:09:49,517 --> 01:09:51,620 I took the boat train to Paris instead 1624 01:09:51,758 --> 01:09:53,068 and I thought it would be a good joke 1625 01:09:53,206 --> 01:09:54,758 if I never phoned Bernie at all. 1626 01:09:55,068 --> 01:09:57,103 He was gonna be thinking he was gonna be acting, 1627 01:09:57,241 --> 01:09:59,137 you know, "Oh, where's Joe gone?" 1628 01:09:59,275 --> 01:10:02,000 When really, he was going, "Where has he gone?" 1629 01:10:02,275 --> 01:10:03,965 And I ran the Paris Marathon, too. 1630 01:10:04,103 --> 01:10:06,724 Eventually, they hired a private detective to find me. 1631 01:10:06,862 --> 01:10:08,275 - What is he up to and what news is there 1632 01:10:08,413 --> 01:10:09,586 of his whereabouts? 1633 01:10:09,724 --> 01:10:11,103 Who can answer that, Cosmo? 1634 01:10:11,241 --> 01:10:13,068 - We don't know where he is and we can't find him. 1635 01:10:13,241 --> 01:10:15,034 If you're listening, Joe, I said this before, 1636 01:10:15,172 --> 01:10:16,758 please get in touch. We need to talk to you. 1637 01:10:16,931 --> 01:10:19,137 - So in no way is this any kind of publicity stunt? 1638 01:10:19,275 --> 01:10:20,379 - None whatsoever, I'm telling you. 1639 01:10:20,517 --> 01:10:22,000 - He was just proving "Without me, 1640 01:10:22,137 --> 01:10:23,517 this band can't go on," 1641 01:10:23,655 --> 01:10:25,931 and when he came back, it was either me or Topper. 1642 01:10:26,137 --> 01:10:31,172 - ♪ Who's got all the blood in your hands ♪ 1643 01:10:31,620 --> 01:10:32,793 - I can't deny 1644 01:10:32,931 --> 01:10:34,000 that I wasn't firing on all cylinders. 1645 01:10:34,137 --> 01:10:35,827 [coughs] 1646 01:10:36,448 --> 01:10:38,310 When you use drugs, you don't care anymore. 1647 01:10:38,655 --> 01:10:40,620 I was self-seeking, I was dishonest, 1648 01:10:40,758 --> 01:10:44,655 I was, you know, I didn't really give a fuck about anyone. 1649 01:10:45,103 --> 01:10:47,068 You'll have to undo my boots, Micks, I can't undo 'em. 1650 01:10:50,620 --> 01:10:52,689 Oh, right, yeah. Oh, yeah. 1651 01:10:54,448 --> 01:10:57,655 [Joe singing indistinctly] [all laughing] 1652 01:10:59,724 --> 01:11:01,551 - I've gotta go sunbathin'. 1653 01:11:02,310 --> 01:11:04,275 - See you, then. You go and sunbathe. 1654 01:11:06,137 --> 01:11:07,310 Good-bye, Topper. 1655 01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:09,379 Down the railway track. 1656 01:11:10,448 --> 01:11:12,551 - There wasn't a lot of choice, really. 1657 01:11:12,689 --> 01:11:14,689 You can't have a band where the drummer is so out of it, 1658 01:11:14,827 --> 01:11:17,482 he can hardly play sometimes and he's always late. 1659 01:11:19,724 --> 01:11:20,620 [metal clangs] 1660 01:11:20,758 --> 01:11:22,275 I burst into tears, right? 1661 01:11:22,689 --> 01:11:25,000 Mick was crying and then Joe kind of softened. 1662 01:11:25,137 --> 01:11:26,344 He said, "Listen, it's not the end. 1663 01:11:26,551 --> 01:11:27,931 If you pull yourself together, 1664 01:11:28,068 --> 01:11:30,448 we'll say you've been sacked for, 1665 01:11:30,793 --> 01:11:32,517 you've got nervous exhaustion 1666 01:11:33,103 --> 01:11:34,379 and if you get yourself together 1667 01:11:34,517 --> 01:11:36,068 by the time we come back, you got the gig." 1668 01:11:36,896 --> 01:11:39,965 I tried to stop and about a week 1669 01:11:40,103 --> 01:11:41,586 after they started the American tour, 1670 01:11:41,724 --> 01:11:43,275 I think Joe got drunk and he said, 1671 01:11:43,482 --> 01:11:44,827 "Oh, we had to get rid of Topper 1672 01:11:44,965 --> 01:11:46,413 because he was a heroin addict." 1673 01:11:47,620 --> 01:11:51,172 And overnight, you know what I mean, I was Topper 1674 01:11:51,310 --> 01:11:53,517 from The Clash, resting through nervous exhaustion 1675 01:11:53,793 --> 01:11:55,689 to being sacked for being a junkie. 1676 01:11:56,586 --> 01:11:58,620 And that's when I started injecting. 1677 01:11:58,758 --> 01:12:01,413 - While I was playing hooky, everybody had a row 1678 01:12:01,551 --> 01:12:03,310 and Topper just decided that, 1679 01:12:04,206 --> 01:12:06,724 he obviously didn't think that I was ever coming back. 1680 01:12:07,379 --> 01:12:09,379 And he decided to cut out. 1681 01:12:09,586 --> 01:12:12,000 We're playing with a guy called Terry Chimes 1682 01:12:12,137 --> 01:12:14,482 who played on our first album, 1683 01:12:14,793 --> 01:12:17,655 and maybe we'll stick with him. 1684 01:12:18,310 --> 01:12:20,344 - I was living in a squat in Fulham with no windows, 1685 01:12:20,482 --> 01:12:22,310 sleeping with the dog under the carpet. 1686 01:12:22,689 --> 01:12:24,206 I'm seeing my song, a video 1687 01:12:24,344 --> 01:12:26,068 with some other bloke playing in it. 1688 01:12:27,310 --> 01:12:29,344 - ♪ Sharif don't like it ♪ 1689 01:12:31,344 --> 01:12:32,965 ♪ Rock the Casbah ♪ 1690 01:12:33,103 --> 01:12:34,758 ♪ Rock the Casbah ♪ 1691 01:12:34,896 --> 01:12:36,896 ♪ Sharif don't like it ♪ 1692 01:12:37,103 --> 01:12:38,724 ♪ Thinks it's not kosher ♪ 1693 01:12:38,931 --> 01:12:40,137 - I don't think we played a good gig 1694 01:12:40,275 --> 01:12:41,689 after Topper was fired. 1695 01:12:42,482 --> 01:12:45,586 - "Rock the Casbah" cracked the top five in America. 1696 01:12:46,655 --> 01:12:49,724 - We want to be number one in every country in the world. 1697 01:12:51,206 --> 01:12:52,310 Seriously, we do. 1698 01:12:52,448 --> 01:12:54,034 - Wake, made me wake up to a lot of things 1699 01:12:54,172 --> 01:12:54,896 that are happening in the world. 1700 01:12:55,034 --> 01:12:56,379 - Kick-ass band. 1701 01:12:56,517 --> 01:13:00,551 - Revolutions, uh, nuclear arms race, individual rights. 1702 01:13:01,448 --> 01:13:03,103 - But if that's gonna destroy us, 1703 01:13:04,896 --> 01:13:06,310 then we're not so sure we want it. 1704 01:13:06,517 --> 01:13:08,379 - What do you want to be doing when you're 40 years old? 1705 01:13:08,517 --> 01:13:10,206 Do you want to stay into this and continue to play? 1706 01:13:10,551 --> 01:13:13,206 - I want some dignity left. - Yeah. 1707 01:13:13,965 --> 01:13:15,241 - They're not punk rock now. 1708 01:13:15,379 --> 01:13:16,379 - What are they now? 1709 01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,379 - They're just what the Stones are. 1710 01:13:19,793 --> 01:13:21,310 - Obviously, life's full of sick jokes 1711 01:13:21,448 --> 01:13:23,724 and we could have seen that one coming, I guess, 1712 01:13:24,206 --> 01:13:26,551 but it's still of a shock when it actually happens. 1713 01:13:27,206 --> 01:13:29,655 Now, we turned into a load of pop stars. 1714 01:13:29,793 --> 01:13:30,965 I couldn't believe that we turned 1715 01:13:31,103 --> 01:13:32,965 into the people we were trying to destroy. 1716 01:13:33,172 --> 01:13:35,724 I'd rather go back to busking, be a nobody, 1717 01:13:35,862 --> 01:13:37,344 than carry on like that. 1718 01:13:37,482 --> 01:13:39,931 - When The Clash got really, really huge, 1719 01:13:40,344 --> 01:13:43,137 it must have on some level, you know, 1720 01:13:43,275 --> 01:13:46,000 have been frightening, you know. 1721 01:13:46,241 --> 01:13:48,551 I mean, it must have scared them on some level, like, 1722 01:13:49,724 --> 01:13:51,034 maybe they weren't ready for it then. 1723 01:13:51,517 --> 01:13:54,862 Just afraid that that degree of success or money 1724 01:13:55,551 --> 01:14:00,827 would taint their purity, their ability to be honest. 1725 01:14:01,517 --> 01:14:02,655 - What is the question? 1726 01:14:02,793 --> 01:14:04,103 - I'm asking about the kind of responsibility 1727 01:14:04,241 --> 01:14:06,000 that you feel that you've got towards the fans 1728 01:14:06,137 --> 01:14:08,034 as the public figures that you are. 1729 01:14:09,655 --> 01:14:12,379 - I just don't feel strong enough to carry anything 1730 01:14:12,517 --> 01:14:15,206 at the moment, let alone anything like that. 1731 01:14:16,172 --> 01:14:17,827 - Are you discouraged with rock 'n' roll 1732 01:14:17,965 --> 01:14:19,172 in general though? 1733 01:14:19,310 --> 01:14:22,758 - It's no worse than any other prostitution business. 1734 01:14:22,896 --> 01:14:24,034 [crowd cheers] 1735 01:14:24,172 --> 01:14:25,482 - What we got for you tonight is, 1736 01:14:25,620 --> 01:14:29,241 we ain't got no baseball, no baseball tonight! 1737 01:14:29,379 --> 01:14:32,068 We ain't got no football, they're on strike! 1738 01:14:33,827 --> 01:14:35,724 But what we have got here is a little bit 1739 01:14:35,862 --> 01:14:38,172 of what's going on in London at the moment, 1740 01:14:38,310 --> 01:14:42,172 so will you welcome, all the way from London town, 1741 01:14:42,310 --> 01:14:44,517 London W-10, The Clash! 1742 01:14:44,931 --> 01:14:45,724 Come on! 1743 01:14:45,862 --> 01:14:49,241 [crowd cheering loudly] 1744 01:14:51,758 --> 01:14:53,000 - One, two, three, four! 1745 01:14:53,137 --> 01:14:56,793 ["Career Opportunities" by The Clash] 1746 01:14:58,068 --> 01:15:01,517 - ♪ They offered me the office, offered me the shop ♪ 1747 01:15:03,413 --> 01:15:07,137 ♪ They said I'd better take anything they got ♪ 1748 01:15:07,551 --> 01:15:09,793 Standing there singing the songs while it got bigger 1749 01:15:09,931 --> 01:15:12,000 and bigger towards the end, for some reason, 1750 01:15:12,137 --> 01:15:13,620 I began to feel worse and worse. 1751 01:15:13,758 --> 01:15:16,551 It had something to do with what those songs are saying. 1752 01:15:16,965 --> 01:15:19,827 ♪ Career opportunities are ones that never knock ♪ 1753 01:15:20,034 --> 01:15:22,310 ♪ Every job they offer you is to keep you out the dock ♪ 1754 01:15:22,448 --> 01:15:24,827 ♪ Career opportunities are ones that never knock ♪ 1755 01:15:24,965 --> 01:15:26,793 All right when we were part of the audience, 1756 01:15:26,931 --> 01:15:28,000 part of a movement. 1757 01:15:28,137 --> 01:15:31,379 ♪ I hate the army, I hate the RAF ♪ 1758 01:15:32,655 --> 01:15:35,482 Once it became thousands of miles removed from that 1759 01:15:36,344 --> 01:15:37,586 I began to freak out. 1760 01:15:38,413 --> 01:15:40,965 ♪ I hate civil service rules ♪ 1761 01:15:41,103 --> 01:15:44,448 ♪ I won't open letter bombs for you ♪ 1762 01:15:44,931 --> 01:15:47,068 - Mick was probably comfortable with success. 1763 01:15:47,206 --> 01:15:48,827 Joe was uneasy with it, but didn't know 1764 01:15:48,965 --> 01:15:50,931 why he was unhappy and it was just a struggle 1765 01:15:51,068 --> 01:15:52,793 inside him that couldn't ever be resolved. 1766 01:15:52,931 --> 01:15:54,034 You know, he couldn't be happy 1767 01:15:54,172 --> 01:15:56,000 because he wanted the band to be successful, 1768 01:15:56,137 --> 01:15:58,344 but when it was successful, he wasn't comfortable, so, 1769 01:15:59,103 --> 01:16:00,034 there was nowhere to go. 1770 01:16:00,172 --> 01:16:02,586 [blowing air] 1771 01:16:03,068 --> 01:16:05,137 - The thing that The Clash don't understand, 1772 01:16:05,275 --> 01:16:07,896 and the thing that a lot of these bands don't understand, 1773 01:16:08,344 --> 01:16:12,068 is that you can't take life so goddamn seriously, honey. 1774 01:16:12,724 --> 01:16:15,344 - "You make, you buy, you die." 1775 01:16:15,517 --> 01:16:16,931 That's the motto of America. 1776 01:16:17,758 --> 01:16:19,724 You get born to buy it. 1777 01:16:20,724 --> 01:16:22,793 And if there's anything gonna be in the future, 1778 01:16:22,931 --> 01:16:24,965 it's got to be from all parts of everything, 1779 01:16:25,241 --> 01:16:28,206 not just one white way down the middle of the road. 1780 01:16:28,620 --> 01:16:30,448 I need some hostility here. 1781 01:16:30,586 --> 01:16:31,793 You know, grr. 1782 01:16:31,931 --> 01:16:33,241 [crowd cheers] 1783 01:16:33,379 --> 01:16:35,862 Yeah! I need some feeling of some sort. 1784 01:16:36,448 --> 01:16:39,965 Hey, we're all alive at the same time at once, you know. 1785 01:16:41,241 --> 01:16:43,655 ["Should I Stay or Should I Go?" By The Clash] 1786 01:16:43,793 --> 01:16:46,172 ♪ Should I stay or should I go now ♪ 1787 01:16:47,620 --> 01:16:50,206 ♪ Should I stay or should I go now ♪ 1788 01:16:51,689 --> 01:16:55,103 ♪ If I go, there will be trouble ♪ 1789 01:16:55,448 --> 01:16:57,862 ♪ And if I stay, it will be double ♪ 1790 01:16:59,310 --> 01:17:02,379 ♪ So you got to let me know ♪ 1791 01:17:05,379 --> 01:17:07,310 ♪ This indecision's buggin' me ♪ 1792 01:17:07,448 --> 01:17:08,758 Seven years ago, we decided 1793 01:17:08,896 --> 01:17:11,689 that we were gonna be bigger than anybody else 1794 01:17:11,827 --> 01:17:13,896 but still keep our message. 1795 01:17:14,034 --> 01:17:15,689 ♪ Exactly whom I'm supposed to be ♪ 1796 01:17:15,827 --> 01:17:17,482 ♪ Digame tengo ser ♪ 1797 01:17:17,620 --> 01:17:19,620 - ♪ Do you remember which clothes fit me ♪ 1798 01:17:19,758 --> 01:17:21,172 - ♪ Sabes que ropa me "quedrá"? ♪ 1799 01:17:21,310 --> 01:17:22,689 We had fallen into every pitfall 1800 01:17:22,827 --> 01:17:25,620 that you could possibly fall into as a group starting 1801 01:17:25,758 --> 01:17:27,310 from nothing and becoming something, 1802 01:17:27,448 --> 01:17:29,620 probably invented a few new ones along the way. 1803 01:17:29,827 --> 01:17:31,000 - ♪ Waah! ♪ 1804 01:17:33,206 --> 01:17:35,655 - The "Success Goes to Your Head" pitfall, 1805 01:17:35,793 --> 01:17:38,310 the "ego trip" pitfall, you think you're geniuses, 1806 01:17:38,448 --> 01:17:42,172 you become drug addicts, you make overindulgent records, 1807 01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:44,827 you overdub the sound of ants biting 1808 01:17:44,965 --> 01:17:47,413 through a wooden beam, all these things, 1809 01:17:47,551 --> 01:17:49,896 we've gone through each and every damn one of them, 1810 01:17:50,034 --> 01:17:52,896 and that's why we come out a depleted force. 1811 01:17:53,034 --> 01:17:54,482 - ♪ Should I stay or should I go now ♪ 1812 01:17:54,620 --> 01:17:56,586 - ♪ Yo me enfrío o lo soplo ♪ 1813 01:17:56,724 --> 01:17:59,034 - Mick was pretty hard work to work with. 1814 01:17:59,172 --> 01:18:01,379 He was in his prima donna phase. 1815 01:18:01,517 --> 01:18:03,551 - ♪ If I go, there will be trouble ♪ 1816 01:18:04,620 --> 01:18:05,896 - Bernie turned round to me and said, 1817 01:18:06,034 --> 01:18:07,655 "Look, why don't we sling this guy out?" 1818 01:18:07,793 --> 01:18:09,000 And I figured it was a good idea, 1819 01:18:09,137 --> 01:18:10,448 'cause I don't like being bummed out. 1820 01:18:10,586 --> 01:18:12,137 You know when you go to work in a good mood 1821 01:18:12,275 --> 01:18:13,965 and there's some guy always bumming out? 1822 01:18:14,103 --> 01:18:16,241 We weren't about to make any music like that, so I thought, 1823 01:18:16,379 --> 01:18:17,310 "Fuck it, why not?" 1824 01:18:17,448 --> 01:18:18,655 [metal clangs] 1825 01:18:20,206 --> 01:18:21,758 - I think it was Joe it was who managed 1826 01:18:21,896 --> 01:18:24,793 to muster up the courage to say 1827 01:18:24,931 --> 01:18:26,896 that he didn't want to play with me anymore. 1828 01:18:28,068 --> 01:18:30,000 And when, when somebody says that to you, 1829 01:18:30,137 --> 01:18:32,931 you know that you just, I just packed my guitar up 1830 01:18:33,068 --> 01:18:37,034 and just, "Well, hey," you know, "Okay, bye." 1831 01:18:37,172 --> 01:18:38,103 And that was it. 1832 01:18:38,862 --> 01:18:40,000 I walked. 1833 01:18:40,689 --> 01:18:42,344 And Bernie come running out after me with a check 1834 01:18:42,482 --> 01:18:46,586 in his hand, you know, like a gold watch or something, 1835 01:18:46,724 --> 01:18:48,517 you know, which added insult to injury. 1836 01:18:48,655 --> 01:18:49,827 But I took it anyway. 1837 01:18:50,275 --> 01:18:54,275 It was right at the time of the carnival. [laughs] 1838 01:18:55,103 --> 01:18:57,103 It was awful, you know? 1839 01:18:57,241 --> 01:18:58,551 I mean, walking around the carnival, 1840 01:18:58,689 --> 01:19:01,551 and you might see someone, and you're, like, trying to, 1841 01:19:01,689 --> 01:19:02,620 I did everything. 1842 01:19:02,758 --> 01:19:04,034 I grew a beard. 1843 01:19:04,172 --> 01:19:09,241 I dyed my hair, you know, blonde, for about two days. 1844 01:19:09,379 --> 01:19:14,241 It was a complete, traumatic shock. [laughs] 1845 01:19:14,379 --> 01:19:17,206 But then, then that's character-building, you know, 1846 01:19:17,344 --> 01:19:18,793 when those things happen to you. 1847 01:19:19,034 --> 01:19:21,206 [Joe] I hadn't understood that the manager suddenly wanted 1848 01:19:21,344 --> 01:19:22,655 to become an artist. 1849 01:19:23,206 --> 01:19:26,551 Bernie conned me to get rid of Mick to lay the way open 1850 01:19:26,689 --> 01:19:27,931 for him to step in. 1851 01:19:28,206 --> 01:19:30,965 Stupidly, I allowed that to happen. 1852 01:19:31,103 --> 01:19:32,965 It's my fault about the end, definitely. 1853 01:19:33,344 --> 01:19:34,931 - So he kind of thought, "Yeah, well, maybe Mick 1854 01:19:35,068 --> 01:19:36,413 was the problem," like he thought Topper 1855 01:19:36,551 --> 01:19:38,068 was the problem, you know? 1856 01:19:38,724 --> 01:19:40,344 He didn't maybe at that point think, 1857 01:19:40,482 --> 01:19:41,448 "We're all the problem." 1858 01:19:41,827 --> 01:19:43,379 - And he was a coward too. 1859 01:19:43,931 --> 01:19:45,206 You know, there you go, I'm gonna say it. 1860 01:19:45,344 --> 01:19:46,482 I mean, Joe, you know, he was a coward 1861 01:19:46,620 --> 01:19:48,586 and didn't like confrontation. 1862 01:19:48,724 --> 01:19:50,862 - What pisses me off about The Clash 1863 01:19:51,448 --> 01:19:57,379 is that this extraordinary band should still be here. 1864 01:19:57,655 --> 01:20:00,379 ["[In the] Pouring Rain" by The Clash] 1865 01:20:03,344 --> 01:20:04,758 - We had to restructure our group 1866 01:20:04,896 --> 01:20:06,068 to get rocking again. 1867 01:20:07,620 --> 01:20:09,551 - Wessex! 1868 01:20:09,827 --> 01:20:14,862 ♪ The ships were gone and the pit fell in now ♪ 1869 01:20:15,379 --> 01:20:19,517 This is Pete Howard, the, the drummer, and Vince White, 1870 01:20:19,655 --> 01:20:22,862 guitar, and up top, Nick Sheppard, guitar. 1871 01:20:23,275 --> 01:20:25,862 - Pete Howard and Vince and Nick Sheppard, 1872 01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:27,586 they all felt really intimidated, 1873 01:20:27,724 --> 01:20:28,793 which I can't blame them, 1874 01:20:28,931 --> 01:20:30,689 'cause they were entering this scene 1875 01:20:30,827 --> 01:20:32,172 that was already so big. 1876 01:20:32,310 --> 01:20:33,689 - How do you feel about the band 1877 01:20:33,827 --> 01:20:35,310 at this point in time? - Great! 1878 01:20:35,793 --> 01:20:36,827 Can you hear me? 1879 01:20:37,413 --> 01:20:38,655 Great! 1880 01:20:38,793 --> 01:20:40,586 Everything's bland-o, bland-o, bland-o, you know? 1881 01:20:40,896 --> 01:20:42,620 Let's have a revolt from the bottom up. 1882 01:20:42,793 --> 01:20:44,482 Drugs are over from this minute now. 1883 01:20:44,620 --> 01:20:46,724 Anybody who takes a drug is a hippie, 1884 01:20:46,862 --> 01:20:48,724 and hippies can shove off. 1885 01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,482 Accountants and lawyers are writing the songs. 1886 01:20:51,620 --> 01:20:54,758 Attorneys are playing the lead guitar solos. 1887 01:20:55,482 --> 01:20:58,137 ♪ I can hear the sharpen of the pain ♪ 1888 01:20:59,275 --> 01:21:02,655 ♪ Some lucky stranger in the rain ♪ 1889 01:21:03,206 --> 01:21:05,344 ♪ Hear the sharpen of the pain ♪ 1890 01:21:05,482 --> 01:21:08,275 Bernie Rhodes wanted to really take over big time, 1891 01:21:08,413 --> 01:21:09,724 and he wanted to be the producer, 1892 01:21:09,862 --> 01:21:11,275 and I let that happen. 1893 01:21:11,413 --> 01:21:12,275 Everything was wrong. 1894 01:21:12,448 --> 01:21:13,379 There was no vibe. 1895 01:21:13,517 --> 01:21:15,034 It was all Bernard's ego. 1896 01:21:15,172 --> 01:21:16,551 Eventually, I snapped. 1897 01:21:16,689 --> 01:21:18,758 - Strummer, he was a bloke to do the job. 1898 01:21:18,896 --> 01:21:20,103 He was temporary. 1899 01:21:20,241 --> 01:21:21,344 He wasn't permanent. 1900 01:21:21,517 --> 01:21:22,758 [metal clangs] 1901 01:21:22,965 --> 01:21:24,068 [Joe] And that was the end of it. 1902 01:21:24,517 --> 01:21:25,344 [metal clangs] 1903 01:21:29,275 --> 01:21:31,068 - ♪ Corrina, Corrina ♪ 1904 01:21:31,931 --> 01:21:34,000 ♪ Gal, where you been so long ♪ 1905 01:21:36,758 --> 01:21:40,241 - They used to ask me, "So you think you schmucks 1906 01:21:40,379 --> 01:21:42,620 can change the world," they'd say to us. 1907 01:21:43,413 --> 01:21:45,965 They said it so often that you began to believe them, 1908 01:21:46,758 --> 01:21:48,137 which is fatal. 1909 01:21:49,724 --> 01:21:51,068 Trust thyself. 1910 01:21:51,862 --> 01:21:54,034 - ♪ Baby, please come home ♪ 1911 01:21:54,172 --> 01:21:57,344 - Joe came into Manada in 1984. 1912 01:21:57,482 --> 01:22:02,620 He was looking for the Federico Garcia Lorca things. 1913 01:22:02,758 --> 01:22:06,448 Quickly the gossip spread in the city that this guy 1914 01:22:06,586 --> 01:22:09,275 who is like a hippie, he's so dirty, 1915 01:22:09,413 --> 01:22:11,206 he seems to be Joe Strummer. 1916 01:22:11,344 --> 01:22:13,206 So I went to the bar and said, 1917 01:22:13,344 --> 01:22:14,896 "Hey, are you Joe Strummer?" 1918 01:22:15,034 --> 01:22:18,241 He told me in Spanish, "Sí hombre, que quiéres beber?" 1919 01:22:18,379 --> 01:22:20,137 "So, what do you want to drink?" 1920 01:22:20,448 --> 01:22:26,172 He told me that he felt so frustrated, so alone, so lonely. 1921 01:22:26,689 --> 01:22:29,862 He wasn't satisfied with what he was doing, 1922 01:22:30,275 --> 01:22:32,758 and while watching the Alhambra, said, 1923 01:22:32,896 --> 01:22:34,517 "My brother should be here. 1924 01:22:34,655 --> 01:22:36,620 If he knew Granada before, 1925 01:22:36,758 --> 01:22:39,379 he probably wouldn't commit suicide." 1926 01:22:39,724 --> 01:22:43,724 And suddenly he told me how wonderful it is to be alive. 1927 01:22:44,344 --> 01:22:46,310 [Joe] That's Bob Dylan with "Corrina, Corrina" 1928 01:22:46,448 --> 01:22:49,275 and his wild scratching posse of hip-hop artists, 1929 01:22:49,482 --> 01:22:52,551 recorded live at the Village Vanguard down in old Manhattan. 1930 01:22:53,827 --> 01:22:55,551 - Even though Joe was a natural preacher, 1931 01:22:55,689 --> 01:22:57,931 and even though he was a really righteous preacher, 1932 01:22:58,068 --> 01:23:01,068 the very fact that he became a preacher in some ways 1933 01:23:01,206 --> 01:23:04,344 was maybe a betrayal of his own best instinct, 1934 01:23:04,724 --> 01:23:07,068 and I always sort of felt like he spent 1935 01:23:08,310 --> 01:23:12,034 those kind of wilderness years almost doing penance. 1936 01:23:12,517 --> 01:23:14,310 - You know, I had to really disassemble myself 1937 01:23:14,448 --> 01:23:17,068 and examine all the pieces and put myself back together. 1938 01:23:17,206 --> 01:23:20,103 I really felt completely destroyed by that, 1939 01:23:20,241 --> 01:23:22,275 that experience, and also 1940 01:23:23,034 --> 01:23:25,551 my father had died while we were on the last tour, 1941 01:23:25,689 --> 01:23:28,206 and when I came home, my mother started 1942 01:23:28,344 --> 01:23:31,379 to sicken and then she died after the end of that year. 1943 01:23:31,724 --> 01:23:33,586 You know, I'd lost my parents, my group, 1944 01:23:33,724 --> 01:23:35,379 you want to think about things, you know? 1945 01:23:35,517 --> 01:23:37,448 You become a different person. 1946 01:23:37,586 --> 01:23:39,931 No more was I an adolescent. 1947 01:23:40,862 --> 01:23:42,103 I am a London parent. 1948 01:23:42,344 --> 01:23:43,689 I've got kids now. 1949 01:23:44,586 --> 01:23:47,586 - Joe had to really exorcise the ghost of The Clash. 1950 01:23:47,758 --> 01:23:51,620 It was a journey that he had to take from where he'd been, 1951 01:23:51,931 --> 01:23:56,620 what he'd achieved, and his part in it all exploding. 1952 01:23:56,758 --> 01:23:58,172 [upbeat rock music] 1953 01:23:58,413 --> 01:24:01,241 [Mick screams] How 'bout it? 1954 01:24:03,344 --> 01:24:05,172 - It's ironic that, you know, after Mick was cast 1955 01:24:05,310 --> 01:24:06,862 out from The Clash, he was really the first one 1956 01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:08,965 to break big, with Big Audio Dynamite. 1957 01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:11,482 - ♪ Whoo ♪ 1958 01:24:12,931 --> 01:24:14,586 - And Joe seemed to be spending his time 1959 01:24:14,724 --> 01:24:17,344 doing a little bit of acting work and the odd soundtrack. 1960 01:24:18,137 --> 01:24:20,689 - [inhales deeply] The desert's beautiful at night. 1961 01:24:20,827 --> 01:24:22,448 Beautiful but lonely. 1962 01:24:25,068 --> 01:24:26,517 Some people don't believe in God. 1963 01:24:27,206 --> 01:24:29,413 That was my first week on the picture, you know, 1964 01:24:29,551 --> 01:24:32,655 and you have, gun twirling is, takes about a month. 1965 01:24:33,206 --> 01:24:36,034 - I was 18 when I made Straight to Hellwith Joe. 1966 01:24:36,482 --> 01:24:37,758 [coyote howls] 1967 01:24:38,241 --> 01:24:40,206 I was broke, I was busted, 1968 01:24:40,344 --> 01:24:41,931 I was in love with a total loser, 1969 01:24:42,241 --> 01:24:45,655 and I had no place to go in London, and I called Joe. 1970 01:24:45,793 --> 01:24:48,862 And him and his wife and his children, 1971 01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:51,724 took me in like I was, you know, their family. 1972 01:24:52,241 --> 01:24:53,448 - Aah! 1973 01:24:53,586 --> 01:24:55,206 [Joe] It's great having kids, 'cause that 1974 01:24:55,344 --> 01:24:56,896 brings you back down to earth. 1975 01:24:57,034 --> 01:24:59,517 You do find yourself shouting, "Turn the bloody music down!" 1976 01:24:59,655 --> 01:25:00,931 You know, "Turn that row off!" 1977 01:25:01,068 --> 01:25:02,517 I guess it's some sort of learning thing 1978 01:25:02,655 --> 01:25:03,862 that we've got to go through. 1979 01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:06,758 Us rebels thought[chuckles] 1980 01:25:06,896 --> 01:25:08,931 that we could somehow escape, you know? 1981 01:25:09,068 --> 01:25:10,517 But it's all in there somewhere, isn't it? 1982 01:25:10,655 --> 01:25:13,000 We become our parents slowly but surely. 1983 01:25:14,758 --> 01:25:16,172 - I saw him withdraw. 1984 01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:19,827 He would just completely cut off and go to his cabin 1985 01:25:20,379 --> 01:25:22,655 or his cell or his whatever he created 1986 01:25:22,793 --> 01:25:25,517 that was very private, and he'd retreat to that 1987 01:25:25,655 --> 01:25:27,310 and he'd do his thing, so I suppose 1988 01:25:27,448 --> 01:25:31,827 in the conventional term, he wasn't a 100% brilliant father. 1989 01:25:32,310 --> 01:25:35,724 When he was on, he was fantastic, and when he was off, 1990 01:25:35,862 --> 01:25:37,896 he was just not available. 1991 01:25:38,620 --> 01:25:40,793 - He really loved those girls. 1992 01:25:40,931 --> 01:25:43,344 There were a lot of uncertainties with Joe, 1993 01:25:43,482 --> 01:25:45,758 but that was one thing that was very clear. 1994 01:25:47,413 --> 01:25:48,689 - You were lead singer 1995 01:25:48,827 --> 01:25:50,379 of The Clash for many years, and-- 1996 01:25:50,517 --> 01:25:52,241 [Joe] Many, many. - Now you're hanging around. 1997 01:25:52,379 --> 01:25:54,620 Are you looking to form another band? 1998 01:25:54,896 --> 01:25:58,000 - No, I'm kind of just doing some, a bit of music for film. 1999 01:25:58,137 --> 01:26:01,517 But I'm just, I'm not really looking at that as something 2000 01:26:01,655 --> 01:26:03,103 to do long-term. 2001 01:26:03,241 --> 01:26:04,896 I'm more, like, trying to get my bearings, you know? 2002 01:26:05,034 --> 01:26:08,034 It takes a while to recover from, 10 years 2003 01:26:08,172 --> 01:26:10,379 on the road with one group, you know? 2004 01:26:10,517 --> 01:26:12,793 I can't seem to snap into it that quickly. 2005 01:26:12,931 --> 01:26:15,000 - I got a phone call from him, like, you know, 2006 01:26:15,137 --> 01:26:19,344 "Zander, we're up here in San Francisco, 2007 01:26:19,482 --> 01:26:23,241 you know, at Russian Hill Studio and I want you 2008 01:26:23,379 --> 01:26:26,241 to come up and bring your Spanish guitar," 2009 01:26:26,517 --> 01:26:27,517 you know? [laughs] 2010 01:26:27,655 --> 01:26:29,620 It was, like, that was the message. 2011 01:26:29,758 --> 01:26:31,896 That was my call to arms to be a part 2012 01:26:32,034 --> 01:26:33,758 of thatWalker soundtrack. 2013 01:26:34,034 --> 01:26:35,758 [cannon fires] 2014 01:26:38,206 --> 01:26:40,344 - I thinkWalker was one of the finest things 2015 01:26:40,482 --> 01:26:41,551 that he ever did. 2016 01:26:41,689 --> 01:26:43,517 He was really proud of that. 2017 01:26:43,793 --> 01:26:45,655 [Joe] No one's ever heard it, but never mind. 2018 01:26:46,379 --> 01:26:48,000 I am actually in it as an extra. 2019 01:26:48,275 --> 01:26:50,689 I grew a beard and grew my hair really long. 2020 01:26:51,034 --> 01:26:52,862 I used to run about wearing rags. 2021 01:26:54,275 --> 01:26:55,517 [women shout] 2022 01:26:56,724 --> 01:26:57,965 [man laughs] 2023 01:26:59,896 --> 01:27:00,896 [man blows raspberry] 2024 01:27:01,034 --> 01:27:02,448 - Whenever he tried something new, 2025 01:27:02,586 --> 01:27:05,413 people weren't really prepared to listen with new ears, 2026 01:27:05,551 --> 01:27:07,310 because what people wanted was Joe Strummer 2027 01:27:07,448 --> 01:27:09,965 and they wanted The Clash, and that spoiled a lot 2028 01:27:10,103 --> 01:27:11,413 of the work that he did. 2029 01:27:11,586 --> 01:27:13,379 [Joe] One day I was standing on Portobello Road 2030 01:27:13,517 --> 01:27:16,103 and I thought, "You know, it's time to cut down 2031 01:27:16,241 --> 01:27:19,413 on my drinking," and I walked home and the phone rang, 2032 01:27:19,551 --> 01:27:20,896 and it was the Pogues going, 2033 01:27:21,034 --> 01:27:24,137 "Hey, you've got to come on tour," so I did a US tour 2034 01:27:24,275 --> 01:27:27,586 depping for the rhythm guitarist in the Pogues. 2035 01:27:28,172 --> 01:27:30,724 Okay, I'm gonna go out and get vibed up, all right, guys? 2036 01:27:32,620 --> 01:27:34,379 - I think the Pogues gave Joe a good appetite 2037 01:27:34,517 --> 01:27:37,413 to start playing live again himself, you know? 2038 01:27:37,586 --> 01:27:40,206 [percussive music] 2039 01:27:40,655 --> 01:27:43,517 [Joe] ♪ In Trash City, on Party Avenue ♪ 2040 01:27:43,862 --> 01:27:45,275 I put together a nice little group 2041 01:27:45,413 --> 01:27:46,896 for thisPermanent Record film. 2042 01:27:47,551 --> 01:27:49,724 I called it the Latino Rockabilly War. 2043 01:27:50,413 --> 01:27:51,586 I wrote the music and then I went out 2044 01:27:51,724 --> 01:27:54,551 for three nights looking in all the little clubs 2045 01:27:54,689 --> 01:27:57,793 and bars and little underground scenes happening 2046 01:27:57,931 --> 01:28:00,103 in Los Angeles and I just picked the musicians 2047 01:28:00,241 --> 01:28:01,758 from watching them. 2048 01:28:01,896 --> 01:28:03,586 I already knew Zander because he worked onWalker, 2049 01:28:04,034 --> 01:28:06,379 but I picked the rest out from jazz clubs 2050 01:28:06,517 --> 01:28:07,758 and Bohemian dives. 2051 01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:12,275 ♪ In Trash City, at Party Avenue ♪ 2052 01:28:12,413 --> 01:28:15,655 ♪ I had a girl from Kalamazoo ♪ 2053 01:28:15,862 --> 01:28:19,103 ♪ In Trash City on a transit line ♪ 2054 01:28:19,241 --> 01:28:22,724 ♪ I put you on hold but you're lookin' fine ♪ 2055 01:28:23,068 --> 01:28:25,275 - He was looking for a drummer in his band, 2056 01:28:25,896 --> 01:28:27,896 and he said, "I've got the guy!" 2057 01:28:28,344 --> 01:28:29,310 I said, "Who?" 2058 01:28:29,448 --> 01:28:31,344 He goes, "Ramon Bajaranda!" 2059 01:28:31,586 --> 01:28:32,793 I said, "Is he good?" 2060 01:28:32,931 --> 01:28:33,965 He goes, "I don't know, but his name 2061 01:28:34,103 --> 01:28:35,241 is Ramon Bajaranda, man! 2062 01:28:35,379 --> 01:28:37,379 He's gotta be good! We gotta hire him!" 2063 01:28:37,517 --> 01:28:39,379 Of course, he was not in the band, unfortunately. 2064 01:28:40,379 --> 01:28:43,655 [Joe] ♪ Wanna see a movie 'bout a creeper on a house ♪ 2065 01:28:43,793 --> 01:28:46,931 - He hired my former drummer, Jack Irons, 2066 01:28:47,310 --> 01:28:49,758 and he's a pretty phenomenal beat keeper. 2067 01:28:50,896 --> 01:28:54,344 [Joe] ♪ In Trash City, on Party Avenue ♪ 2068 01:28:55,586 --> 01:28:57,103 - I thought that was pretty amazing, 2069 01:28:57,241 --> 01:29:00,000 because at the time, Jack was in a mental institution, 2070 01:29:00,137 --> 01:29:02,172 and so Joe was like, "That's okay, that's okay, 2071 01:29:02,310 --> 01:29:03,896 we'll, you know, we'll get him a ride to 2072 01:29:04,034 --> 01:29:05,758 and fro every day, and he'll come into the studio and, 2073 01:29:05,896 --> 01:29:08,206 you know, he'll have a job and we'll make this record." 2074 01:29:08,965 --> 01:29:12,965 - ♪ And one time more, oh, oh ♪ 2075 01:29:17,275 --> 01:29:19,137 - I think if your projects 2076 01:29:19,275 --> 01:29:24,241 are consistently failing, if they weren't selling records 2077 01:29:24,379 --> 01:29:26,275 or people weren't really listening, 2078 01:29:26,413 --> 01:29:28,517 I think ultimately that wears you down. 2079 01:29:28,862 --> 01:29:31,103 [Joe] I'm still signed to Epic from The Clash days. 2080 01:29:31,241 --> 01:29:32,275 - Mm-hmm. 2081 01:29:32,827 --> 01:29:34,620 And you have no great desire to do a record for 'em? 2082 01:29:34,758 --> 01:29:36,068 [Joe] For Epic? - Yeah. 2083 01:29:36,206 --> 01:29:38,034 - Well, you know, I expect sometime in the last four years, 2084 01:29:38,172 --> 01:29:41,103 someone would ring me up and heavy me, but nobody ever did. 2085 01:29:41,241 --> 01:29:42,344 [interviewer laughs] 2086 01:29:42,482 --> 01:29:43,896 - He was quite depressed. 2087 01:29:44,310 --> 01:29:45,448 He was not happy. 2088 01:29:45,586 --> 01:29:48,827 The whole process of Earthquake Weather, 2089 01:29:49,103 --> 01:29:51,655 in retrospect, I see it as he had masterminded 2090 01:29:51,793 --> 01:29:54,275 his own death at Epic, you know? 2091 01:29:54,551 --> 01:29:57,931 "Just fucking release me once and for all. 2092 01:29:58,068 --> 01:30:00,896 I mean, I'm gonna take a $500,000 budget 2093 01:30:01,034 --> 01:30:03,689 and make a $500,000 art record." 2094 01:30:05,275 --> 01:30:06,517 And they hated it. 2095 01:30:07,448 --> 01:30:09,379 - I had the head of the label and a bunch 2096 01:30:09,517 --> 01:30:12,379 of the, sort of, brass from Epic assembled 2097 01:30:12,517 --> 01:30:16,827 at Baby-O studios in Hollywood to hear the record. 2098 01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:19,620 I can't find him anywhere and he's not at the studio, 2099 01:30:19,862 --> 01:30:23,620 and I go to the house and I see in the driveway, 2100 01:30:23,758 --> 01:30:27,206 there's a yellow piece of legal paper nailed to the door. 2101 01:30:27,551 --> 01:30:31,793 "Dear Gerry," colon, "Don't be mad," 2102 01:30:32,896 --> 01:30:35,586 dash, I wish I still had this. 2103 01:30:35,965 --> 01:30:37,827 "I've gone to the desert. 2104 01:30:37,965 --> 01:30:40,241 Will be back on," colon, 2105 01:30:41,172 --> 01:30:46,206 Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, 2106 01:30:46,482 --> 01:30:48,275 Friday, Saturday, 2107 01:30:48,413 --> 01:30:49,620 and then he circled Thursday. 2108 01:30:49,793 --> 01:30:51,482 Joe couldn't just write, "I'll be back Thursday." 2109 01:30:51,620 --> 01:30:53,310 He probably didn't even know until he saw 2110 01:30:53,448 --> 01:30:56,413 all the days of the week written out in his own hand, 2111 01:30:56,551 --> 01:30:58,103 "Oh, Thursday." 2112 01:30:58,275 --> 01:30:59,862 And he came back Thursday and it was too late, 2113 01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,241 everyone had gone back to New York, and he sort of... 2114 01:31:02,793 --> 01:31:03,758 he made that record 2115 01:31:03,896 --> 01:31:05,551 a self-fulfilling prophecy, I think. 2116 01:31:05,689 --> 01:31:08,724 He didn't have his confidence back yet. 2117 01:31:09,206 --> 01:31:11,655 - The guy fucking intended on shooting himself 2118 01:31:11,793 --> 01:31:16,344 in the foot, sabotaging his career and possibly 2119 01:31:16,482 --> 01:31:18,724 any kind of relationships that he had 2120 01:31:18,862 --> 01:31:20,172 that he didn't want to be in. 2121 01:31:20,551 --> 01:31:23,724 He needed to make some serious changes in order to be happy. 2122 01:31:24,241 --> 01:31:26,517 - He had to find a place in himself 2123 01:31:26,655 --> 01:31:31,482 where he was happy with just being Joe and letting go. 2124 01:31:33,862 --> 01:31:35,241 [Joe] Part of the reason 2125 01:31:35,379 --> 01:31:37,137 why I shut down shop after "Earthquake Weather," 2126 01:31:37,275 --> 01:31:39,206 'cause I realized I was contracted to these people 2127 01:31:39,344 --> 01:31:42,482 on a never-ending contract, so I was kind of fucked, 2128 01:31:42,620 --> 01:31:44,482 and I decided to bore them out. 2129 01:31:44,620 --> 01:31:47,344 For the next eight years, I figured out how 2130 01:31:47,482 --> 01:31:49,137 to get out of the contract. 2131 01:31:49,275 --> 01:31:50,517 [gun firing] 2132 01:31:50,655 --> 01:31:52,655 - I guess it was kind of a dark period for him 2133 01:31:52,793 --> 01:31:55,310 in some ways when we became friends, you know. 2134 01:31:55,448 --> 01:31:59,655 He had, a lot of frustrations, about his... 2135 01:32:00,344 --> 01:32:01,689 his life in general. 2136 01:32:03,862 --> 01:32:05,655 I'm sure other people have brought up, you know, 2137 01:32:05,793 --> 01:32:09,137 the Strummer's law of no input, no output, 2138 01:32:09,275 --> 01:32:12,413 'cause he was always interested in taking things in. 2139 01:32:13,379 --> 01:32:16,413 You know, that period maybe was very important 2140 01:32:16,551 --> 01:32:18,241 for him and fertile, 2141 01:32:18,379 --> 01:32:20,655 but I think maybe a little painful at times. 2142 01:32:21,068 --> 01:32:22,689 - And I cornered him in the kitchen, 2143 01:32:26,103 --> 01:32:27,413 and I said to him, 2144 01:32:27,551 --> 01:32:30,068 I said, "Joe, do you think we'll ever work together again?" 2145 01:32:30,482 --> 01:32:32,965 And it's one of the most brilliant things he ever said 2146 01:32:33,103 --> 01:32:35,862 to me, he said, "Don't be stupid, man." 2147 01:32:36,344 --> 01:32:38,862 It was like... [laughs] 2148 01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:42,000 Jesus, and it was like one of those ambiguous, 2149 01:32:42,137 --> 01:32:44,551 like, Joe, Joe-isms. 2150 01:32:44,862 --> 01:32:47,172 It was like, "Don't be stupid, man, of course," 2151 01:32:47,517 --> 01:32:50,482 or "Don't be stupid, man, move on, it's over." 2152 01:32:53,310 --> 01:32:56,310 - Jim asked me to be in his film,Mystery Train. 2153 01:32:56,896 --> 01:33:00,275 He said that Strummer was gonna play one of the parts. 2154 01:33:01,965 --> 01:33:04,448 I was as nervous to work with him 2155 01:33:04,586 --> 01:33:07,344 than if you told me I was gonna work with Marlon Brando 2156 01:33:07,482 --> 01:33:09,586 or De Niro or somebody, you know? [laughs] 2157 01:33:09,724 --> 01:33:11,103 That it was Strummer. 2158 01:33:11,241 --> 01:33:13,827 I was like, "All right, just, just calm down, 2159 01:33:13,965 --> 01:33:15,517 it's okay. [laughs] 2160 01:33:15,655 --> 01:33:17,103 You can, you can do this." 2161 01:33:18,034 --> 01:33:20,310 [Joe] I was hoping that maturity would arrive. 2162 01:33:20,448 --> 01:33:22,344 I'm still waiting at the station for it. 2163 01:33:22,482 --> 01:33:24,310 You know, I found you can't just walk in there 2164 01:33:24,448 --> 01:33:25,517 and expect to get a result. 2165 01:33:25,655 --> 01:33:26,862 - Sorry. 2166 01:33:28,896 --> 01:33:30,413 [Joe] A bit like you couldn't really walk into a studio 2167 01:33:30,551 --> 01:33:32,172 if you've never thought about music 2168 01:33:32,310 --> 01:33:33,965 and put down a good album. 2169 01:33:35,103 --> 01:33:38,448 - He used to go from high to down easily. 2170 01:33:38,586 --> 01:33:40,931 He was, he was really emotional. 2171 01:33:41,275 --> 01:33:44,620 - Good, morning, Saudi Arabia. 2172 01:33:44,758 --> 01:33:46,413 ["Rock the Casbah" by The Clash] 2173 01:33:46,551 --> 01:33:47,965 [men shouting] 2174 01:33:48,103 --> 01:33:52,862 - Kicking off Desert Shield Network, FM107, 2175 01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:56,137 and we started off rockin' the Casbah. 2176 01:33:57,103 --> 01:33:59,310 - I saw him crying because he saw 2177 01:33:59,448 --> 01:34:02,758 in the news a bomb, an American bomb, 2178 01:34:03,034 --> 01:34:05,344 prepared to be thrown in Iraq 2179 01:34:06,379 --> 01:34:07,931 was written "Rock the Casbah." 2180 01:34:08,172 --> 01:34:09,482 He was crying. 2181 01:34:09,620 --> 01:34:14,000 He told me, "Hey, man, I never could think that a song 2182 01:34:14,137 --> 01:34:16,862 of mine could be written as a death symbol 2183 01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:19,655 in a fucking American bomb." 2184 01:34:20,655 --> 01:34:22,931 [strums piano strings] 2185 01:34:25,172 --> 01:34:27,655 [light piano music] 2186 01:34:29,103 --> 01:34:31,172 - I used to call him Chief Thundercloud, 2187 01:34:31,310 --> 01:34:33,551 'cause he was in a very dark space. 2188 01:34:33,689 --> 01:34:34,965 [Joe vocalizing] 2189 01:34:35,103 --> 01:34:37,965 [somber piano music] 2190 01:34:41,482 --> 01:34:43,931 I did this film calledWhen Pigs Fly, 2191 01:34:44,068 --> 01:34:45,448 and I benefited, 2192 01:34:45,586 --> 01:34:49,448 because he was so anxious to make music. 2193 01:34:51,310 --> 01:34:58,275 - ♪ Way down in a working town where the boys you might find ♪ 2194 01:34:58,793 --> 01:35:05,379 ♪ Some happy and some sad, but some drunk all around ♪ 2195 01:35:06,103 --> 01:35:09,517 ♪ But the breeze is blowing in from home ♪ 2196 01:35:09,862 --> 01:35:12,965 ♪ The door is shaking in the wind ♪ 2197 01:35:13,448 --> 01:35:16,965 ♪ Now, that's when the boys are singing ♪ 2198 01:35:17,103 --> 01:35:20,620 ♪ To the rose of Eirin ♪ 2199 01:35:21,137 --> 01:35:23,896 - He hadn't been in the studio for a very long time, 2200 01:35:24,034 --> 01:35:26,758 and he kind of went nuts and he, he gave me nine hours 2201 01:35:26,896 --> 01:35:28,827 of music in four days. 2202 01:35:28,965 --> 01:35:32,448 [Joe clapping rhythmically] 2203 01:35:34,448 --> 01:35:35,620 - Oh, no! 2204 01:35:36,517 --> 01:35:37,517 Bollocks. 2205 01:35:37,896 --> 01:35:39,413 I've forgotten the words. 2206 01:35:40,137 --> 01:35:41,586 Every time you get something happening, 2207 01:35:41,724 --> 01:35:45,000 you always go over it, later, you know? 2208 01:35:46,241 --> 01:35:47,965 In the fury of it. 2209 01:35:48,689 --> 01:35:50,241 Could you play me the rest of the, 2210 01:35:50,379 --> 01:35:51,482 you haven't run back, have you? 2211 01:35:52,689 --> 01:35:54,689 Could you go right to the end? 2212 01:35:55,862 --> 01:35:58,896 See what's left after that stupid fool clapped on it. 2213 01:35:59,655 --> 01:36:01,000 Bloody hell! 2214 01:36:02,344 --> 01:36:03,689 What a pillock! 2215 01:36:06,310 --> 01:36:07,862 Imagine that you're a rock 'n' roller, 2216 01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:10,413 and say you were in a big band like I was and what have you, 2217 01:36:10,551 --> 01:36:13,724 and time goes by, and then you meet a 17-year-old guy. 2218 01:36:13,862 --> 01:36:16,344 He's never heard of The Clash, and that's the moment 2219 01:36:16,482 --> 01:36:19,275 that my feet touched the ground again. 2220 01:36:21,275 --> 01:36:23,034 I've got ideas for the new role. 2221 01:36:23,172 --> 01:36:24,241 I can't go back. 2222 01:36:24,379 --> 01:36:26,000 It would be like living in a museum. 2223 01:36:26,551 --> 01:36:28,551 No, I just want to go out there and do something new, 2224 01:36:28,689 --> 01:36:31,310 and then you get your own energy from the newness of it. 2225 01:36:32,241 --> 01:36:33,724 I think it says in the Bible, 2226 01:36:33,862 --> 01:36:36,827 "There's a time to dance to techno and a time not to." 2227 01:36:36,965 --> 01:36:38,862 [upbeat techno music] 2228 01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,137 We've got new, fresh sounds every week. 2229 01:36:41,275 --> 01:36:42,931 You can't even keep up with it. 2230 01:36:43,068 --> 01:36:44,241 Have you tried keeping up with, like, 2231 01:36:44,379 --> 01:36:47,551 techno, hardcore, trance, intellechno? 2232 01:36:47,689 --> 01:36:50,379 It's a hotbed of creativity, and that's a fact. 2233 01:36:50,517 --> 01:36:53,068 [music continues] 2234 01:36:54,482 --> 01:36:57,000 Standing in a kitchen listening to rave music, 2235 01:36:57,137 --> 01:36:58,379 I couldn't understand it. 2236 01:36:58,517 --> 01:37:00,758 I had to go to a rave to understand it. 2237 01:37:00,896 --> 01:37:02,068 And after about four hours, 2238 01:37:02,551 --> 01:37:04,275 we were supposed to go into a trance. 2239 01:37:04,413 --> 01:37:06,103 In fact, I was going into a trance, 2240 01:37:06,310 --> 01:37:08,275 and I thought, let's just say we were in a forest 2241 01:37:08,620 --> 01:37:10,862 and there was nothing to do but these big, empty logs, 2242 01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:13,310 say we were pygmies or something, we'd end up, 2243 01:37:13,448 --> 01:37:15,000 what we'd be doing by about lunchtime, 2244 01:37:15,172 --> 01:37:16,965 we'd be standing 'round a log with big sticks 2245 01:37:17,103 --> 01:37:19,206 and we'd be going, "Dong-dong-dong." 2246 01:37:19,344 --> 01:37:21,896 [music continues] 2247 01:37:22,034 --> 01:37:24,034 There's an anti-criminal justice act in England which is 2248 01:37:24,172 --> 01:37:26,206 banning parties, raves, repetitive beats, 2249 01:37:26,344 --> 01:37:28,517 more than 10 people in a field, 2250 01:37:28,655 --> 01:37:30,068 and it's only made the underground stronger 2251 01:37:30,206 --> 01:37:31,965 because you have to band together 2252 01:37:32,103 --> 01:37:33,103 to fight the common thing, 2253 01:37:33,241 --> 01:37:35,896 it was a case of that as well with punk. 2254 01:37:36,758 --> 01:37:38,689 - You can see the hippie thing about it, 2255 01:37:38,827 --> 01:37:39,758 you know what I mean? 2256 01:37:39,896 --> 01:37:41,827 Punks were hippies with zips. 2257 01:37:42,275 --> 01:37:44,137 - People began to kick hippies around, 2258 01:37:44,275 --> 01:37:47,724 but, quite frankly, I am a hippie. 2259 01:37:47,862 --> 01:37:50,206 I want to be a hippie, you know? 2260 01:37:50,517 --> 01:37:53,310 Punks and hippies are now fighting together 2261 01:37:53,448 --> 01:37:54,482 here in England. 2262 01:37:54,620 --> 01:37:56,000 It's the same thing they want. 2263 01:37:56,482 --> 01:37:58,344 In fact, you can't tell 'em apart, 2264 01:37:58,862 --> 01:38:02,586 and they're coming together in some new, strange style. 2265 01:38:02,724 --> 01:38:05,103 - The first, original Strummer Campfire 2266 01:38:05,241 --> 01:38:06,655 probably started at Glastonbury. 2267 01:38:06,793 --> 01:38:08,241 He loved the kind of community aspect 2268 01:38:08,379 --> 01:38:10,068 and the techno thing he certainly got, 2269 01:38:10,206 --> 01:38:12,241 once it was there, once it was instilled in his brain, 2270 01:38:12,379 --> 01:38:14,862 he instantly understood it and became a champion for it. 2271 01:38:15,137 --> 01:38:16,344 - There is no better place to be 2272 01:38:16,482 --> 01:38:19,655 on this whole island than right here, right now. 2273 01:38:19,793 --> 01:38:23,103 I think this is some sort of gene memory, this is my theory. 2274 01:38:23,241 --> 01:38:27,137 It's in our blood over here to have these kind of big needs. 2275 01:38:27,275 --> 01:38:29,275 I bet you, if we were standing here, like, 2276 01:38:29,413 --> 01:38:31,931 maybe 2,000 years ago or whatever, you know, 2277 01:38:32,068 --> 01:38:34,448 there would be something like this going on. 2278 01:38:34,586 --> 01:38:36,379 - But Joe was looking around the world 2279 01:38:36,517 --> 01:38:37,965 for different inspiration. 2280 01:38:38,103 --> 01:38:40,068 [Joe] This is Andrés Landero, the King. 2281 01:38:40,206 --> 01:38:42,689 - Colombian music, African music. 2282 01:38:43,379 --> 01:38:46,482 - Jason Mayo brought this lovely music to us. 2283 01:38:46,620 --> 01:38:48,724 We are riding on it. 2284 01:38:49,172 --> 01:38:51,758 I love it, I play it all the time. 2285 01:38:52,448 --> 01:38:54,137 - Joe was marrying Luce 2286 01:38:54,275 --> 01:38:55,931 and I just felt really happy for him 2287 01:38:56,068 --> 01:38:57,172 'cause he seemed very happy. 2288 01:38:57,310 --> 01:38:59,344 It helped to ground him and to help focus him 2289 01:38:59,482 --> 01:39:01,137 and give him a base to grow from 2290 01:39:01,275 --> 01:39:04,034 and to start his new music and give him 2291 01:39:04,172 --> 01:39:05,758 a bit more confidence in himself, 2292 01:39:05,896 --> 01:39:08,448 and I think Joe really appreciated being Joe Strummer 2293 01:39:08,586 --> 01:39:11,586 and not being the ex-Clash member. 2294 01:39:12,172 --> 01:39:14,068 - Joe was a very spiritual person. 2295 01:39:14,206 --> 01:39:16,689 He always had an interest in, kind of, American Indians, 2296 01:39:16,827 --> 01:39:19,620 the Incas, Mexicans, he did love the image 2297 01:39:19,758 --> 01:39:22,517 and the symbolism attached to a campfire. 2298 01:39:22,655 --> 01:39:24,344 It was very, very important to him. 2299 01:39:24,482 --> 01:39:27,137 He saw it as a great opportunity to express himself, 2300 01:39:27,275 --> 01:39:29,103 but in a really quiet way. 2301 01:39:29,241 --> 01:39:30,724 I think Joe was fed up with shouting, 2302 01:39:30,862 --> 01:39:33,000 and there's nothing better than people wandering through 2303 01:39:33,137 --> 01:39:34,793 and sitting down, 'cause that campfire itself 2304 01:39:34,931 --> 01:39:36,172 is a very comforting thing. 2305 01:39:36,310 --> 01:39:37,965 You sit there, you get warm and you talk. 2306 01:39:38,862 --> 01:39:43,655 - ♪ Last train to Nashville, girl, you got on board ♪ 2307 01:39:43,793 --> 01:39:47,862 ♪ You packed up your medicine and you left without a word ♪ 2308 01:39:48,103 --> 01:39:50,448 - He would go off for hours on end and come back 2309 01:39:50,586 --> 01:39:53,620 with people from all walks of life, none of whom we knew. 2310 01:39:53,758 --> 01:39:56,793 He just enjoyed talking to people, he enjoyed listening. 2311 01:39:57,068 --> 01:39:58,862 He used to learn so much. 2312 01:39:59,379 --> 01:40:02,793 - ♪ You don't dance to techno anymore ♪ 2313 01:40:03,448 --> 01:40:06,344 - He was always thinking of other people all the time, 2314 01:40:06,482 --> 01:40:10,413 about extra tents, extra sleeping bags for everyone. 2315 01:40:10,551 --> 01:40:13,758 - It was an extension of the whole ethos of Glastonbury. 2316 01:40:14,448 --> 01:40:16,793 For him, it was a form of alternative living 2317 01:40:16,931 --> 01:40:18,172 with your friends. 2318 01:40:18,310 --> 01:40:19,965 - In Rastafaria, we say, "More fire," 2319 01:40:20,103 --> 01:40:21,793 and it's not supposed to be a violent thing. 2320 01:40:21,931 --> 01:40:26,172 It's about purging and cleansing and rebirth and rising, 2321 01:40:26,310 --> 01:40:28,379 phoenix-like out of the ashes. 2322 01:40:28,517 --> 01:40:30,000 So maybe that's what he was tuned into. 2323 01:40:30,793 --> 01:40:34,413 - ♪ No, you don't dance to techno anymore ♪ 2324 01:40:35,758 --> 01:40:39,655 - He had a lot to teach about life in general, 2325 01:40:40,827 --> 01:40:44,482 and, like, sort of, the real world, not the perfect world. 2326 01:40:45,482 --> 01:40:48,034 - Well, Joe's campfire was utopian. 2327 01:40:48,448 --> 01:40:50,586 It was re-exploring the rules, re-exploring 2328 01:40:50,724 --> 01:40:53,551 how you can make music, and it's like going back 2329 01:40:53,689 --> 01:40:54,793 to the Druids. 2330 01:40:54,931 --> 01:40:58,034 Yet the experience was pushing the envelope, 2331 01:40:58,172 --> 01:40:59,551 trying to find something new. 2332 01:41:00,034 --> 01:41:03,413 - ♪ Misty morning memory... ♪ 2333 01:41:03,551 --> 01:41:05,068 - Well, we hadn't seen each other 2334 01:41:05,206 --> 01:41:08,413 for nearly 25 years, and Joe bumped into my daughter 2335 01:41:08,551 --> 01:41:13,482 and he gave her a note and it just said, "Nothing's changed. 2336 01:41:13,620 --> 01:41:15,517 We're all old hippies at heart. 2337 01:41:15,827 --> 01:41:16,758 Come and have a campfire." 2338 01:41:17,137 --> 01:41:19,137 - The campfires opened up the idea to Joe 2339 01:41:19,275 --> 01:41:21,620 that he could form another band and it didn't have 2340 01:41:21,758 --> 01:41:23,206 to be Clash-type music, 2341 01:41:23,344 --> 01:41:25,689 that it could be an amalgamation of everything 2342 01:41:25,827 --> 01:41:26,931 that he listened to. 2343 01:41:27,068 --> 01:41:28,310 It gave him the confidence to think, 2344 01:41:28,448 --> 01:41:31,172 "Hey, maybe I can find like-minded people 2345 01:41:31,310 --> 01:41:32,551 to play with me." 2346 01:41:34,551 --> 01:41:37,275 - Joe challenged you and he provoked you. 2347 01:41:37,413 --> 01:41:39,517 In fact, the last time I saw Joe, I had an argument 2348 01:41:39,655 --> 01:41:41,034 with him because he was trying 2349 01:41:41,172 --> 01:41:42,896 to tell me not to stop smoking. 2350 01:41:43,275 --> 01:41:45,206 [Joe] If you took cigarettes away from the 20th century, 2351 01:41:45,344 --> 01:41:46,655 we wouldn't have any 2352 01:41:46,793 --> 01:41:48,275 of the writers you go on about or anybody worships. 2353 01:41:48,689 --> 01:41:51,103 They just would not exist, and I want this acknowledged. 2354 01:41:51,241 --> 01:41:53,517 In fact, I think non-smokers should be barred 2355 01:41:53,655 --> 01:41:57,482 from buying any product that a smoker created. 2356 01:41:57,724 --> 01:41:59,793 [Latin music playing] 2357 01:41:59,931 --> 01:42:02,586 - We spent a long time trying to get Joe 2358 01:42:02,724 --> 01:42:03,896 back on the road. 2359 01:42:04,034 --> 01:42:05,310 We're talking about two years here. 2360 01:42:05,448 --> 01:42:06,793 I mean, it started off, we were trying to get him 2361 01:42:06,931 --> 01:42:09,620 to re-form The Clash, but he was really adamant 2362 01:42:09,758 --> 01:42:11,068 that he wouldn't, that he would not go back out 2363 01:42:11,206 --> 01:42:12,758 on the road again. 2364 01:42:15,758 --> 01:42:18,241 [Joe] If that was no toe-tapper or no body shaker, 2365 01:42:18,379 --> 01:42:20,310 boy, you need to see the undertaker. 2366 01:42:20,931 --> 01:42:24,931 That was Andrés Landero, el rey del acordeón. 2367 01:42:25,413 --> 01:42:28,068 - I had my daughter on my shoulders and I said, 2368 01:42:28,206 --> 01:42:30,275 "What's going on?" And she said, 2369 01:42:30,413 --> 01:42:34,551 "Ooh, Dad, there's a naked man dancing on the stage." 2370 01:42:34,689 --> 01:42:36,103 So I said, "Let me see!" 2371 01:42:36,241 --> 01:42:39,586 So I threw her on the ground and stood on her recumbent body 2372 01:42:39,724 --> 01:42:42,241 so I could see, and this is my first glimpse 2373 01:42:42,379 --> 01:42:43,310 of Anthony Genn. 2374 01:42:43,448 --> 01:42:46,172 [crowd cheering] [upbeat rock music] 2375 01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:52,965 And then I met him after that performance. 2376 01:42:54,827 --> 01:42:56,793 - I was kind of drunkenly saying to him, 2377 01:42:56,931 --> 01:42:58,482 "Come on, man, you're fucking Joe Strummer. 2378 01:42:58,620 --> 01:43:01,413 Get up off your ass and make a fucking record," you know? 2379 01:43:01,551 --> 01:43:02,758 "We need you." [laughs] 2380 01:43:02,896 --> 01:43:04,034 I just didn't expect him to turn 'round 2381 01:43:04,172 --> 01:43:05,206 and say, "Yeah, okay. 2382 01:43:05,344 --> 01:43:06,413 I'll do it with you." 2383 01:43:06,896 --> 01:43:08,206 [Joe] If you leave it too long, 2384 01:43:08,344 --> 01:43:09,862 there's a sort of magic moment when it's too late 2385 01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:12,068 to come back and I think I just got in 2386 01:43:12,206 --> 01:43:13,586 before the door closed. 2387 01:43:14,137 --> 01:43:16,241 Please welcome Joe Strummer and the Mescaleros! 2388 01:43:16,379 --> 01:43:18,310 [crowd cheering] 2389 01:43:18,448 --> 01:43:22,793 - ♪ On a techno D-Day, a techno D-Day ♪ 2390 01:43:23,068 --> 01:43:25,517 ♪ Out on Omaha Beach ♪ 2391 01:43:26,241 --> 01:43:30,689 ♪ Where the troops believe in a life of freedom ♪ 2392 01:43:30,827 --> 01:43:34,689 ♪ This is all about free speech ♪ 2393 01:43:34,827 --> 01:43:36,206 - Because he hadn't been on the road 2394 01:43:36,344 --> 01:43:38,620 for a long, long time, he'd put a few pounds on. 2395 01:43:38,758 --> 01:43:41,551 [laughing] You could see he was knackered after three tunes 2396 01:43:41,689 --> 01:43:42,965 because he hadn't paced himself. 2397 01:43:43,103 --> 01:43:44,482 He was giving it all, you know what I mean? 2398 01:43:44,620 --> 01:43:46,793 He was just sweating, but nobody cared, it was Joe. 2399 01:43:47,103 --> 01:43:50,034 - You've got to fight for your...for your crowd. 2400 01:43:52,517 --> 01:43:54,000 Excuse me, girls, I'm trying to promote 2401 01:43:54,137 --> 01:43:57,689 a rock 'n' roll show tonight, rock 'n' roll. 2402 01:43:57,827 --> 01:44:00,103 When you hustle, you've got to have a hard shell. 2403 01:44:00,482 --> 01:44:02,310 Like Captain Beefheart said, 2404 01:44:02,758 --> 01:44:06,206 "One cold vibe won't stop this here boogie." 2405 01:44:06,344 --> 01:44:08,413 I'll leave you with a flyer in case you fancy going. 2406 01:44:08,551 --> 01:44:09,724 - Okay. 2407 01:44:09,862 --> 01:44:11,758 - It's the hippest place in town tonight. 2408 01:44:11,896 --> 01:44:12,551 [both laughing] 2409 01:44:12,689 --> 01:44:13,620 - Okay. 2410 01:44:13,758 --> 01:44:17,758 - Great, we're building. 2411 01:44:17,965 --> 01:44:20,482 When I got back on the road, my expectations were zero, 2412 01:44:20,620 --> 01:44:22,482 zilch, because I don't like to be disappointed 2413 01:44:22,724 --> 01:44:26,000 so I keep my expectations at a bare minimum. 2414 01:44:26,172 --> 01:44:28,310 [crowd cheering] 2415 01:44:28,448 --> 01:44:30,448 - It was constantly about reinvention. 2416 01:44:30,586 --> 01:44:31,448 [Joe] All right, let's go! 2417 01:44:32,827 --> 01:44:36,827 ♪ Tonight, there was a power cut in the city of madness ♪ 2418 01:44:36,965 --> 01:44:41,206 ♪ And the conversation died in the burst of a solar flare ♪ 2419 01:44:41,793 --> 01:44:43,172 ♪ In the darkness ♪ 2420 01:44:43,344 --> 01:44:45,793 - Yeah, he loved it, he loved it, he absolutely loved it. 2421 01:44:45,931 --> 01:44:47,448 He loved the whole deal. 2422 01:44:47,586 --> 01:44:50,310 Just as a beginning chapter of a new period in his life. 2423 01:44:51,034 --> 01:44:53,896 - ♪ And shorted out the eastern shore ♪ 2424 01:44:55,551 --> 01:44:57,206 ♪ We're left to shout out ♪ 2425 01:44:57,344 --> 01:44:59,413 ♪ We all need a little more ♪ 2426 01:44:59,551 --> 01:45:01,103 Songs don't tend to come to you, I mean, 2427 01:45:01,241 --> 01:45:02,896 if there's no outlet for them. 2428 01:45:03,034 --> 01:45:04,551 Because I couldn't get any records out, 2429 01:45:04,689 --> 01:45:07,137 songs would occasionally come but I knew that as soon 2430 01:45:07,275 --> 01:45:09,586 as we had a contract, the floodgates would open. 2431 01:45:09,724 --> 01:45:12,137 I'd got reams of lyrics, carrier bags full 2432 01:45:12,275 --> 01:45:15,137 of twisted napkins with insane things written on them. 2433 01:45:15,275 --> 01:45:16,965 When you get a great idea for a lyric, 2434 01:45:17,103 --> 01:45:18,862 just push people out of the way, throw yourself 2435 01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:20,344 on the floor and write it down, 2436 01:45:20,482 --> 01:45:22,827 because it only makes sense in the moment. 2437 01:45:22,965 --> 01:45:24,310 - He would always just walk 'round the studio 2438 01:45:24,448 --> 01:45:27,482 and he had an A-4 sheet of paper and a pen 2439 01:45:27,620 --> 01:45:30,241 and he'd just write reams and reams of lyrics, 2440 01:45:30,379 --> 01:45:33,206 and it went on for a few hours and then, about midnight 2441 01:45:33,344 --> 01:45:35,344 or whatever, he went, "Okay, I've got a song," 2442 01:45:35,482 --> 01:45:37,034 and he'd just written a song about his walk 2443 01:45:37,172 --> 01:45:38,241 from Willesden to Cricklewood. 2444 01:45:38,689 --> 01:45:40,827 And during that time, I was fiddling around 2445 01:45:40,965 --> 01:45:42,448 with this little tune. 2446 01:45:42,586 --> 01:45:44,275 I wasn't thinking for a second that Joe was going to go, 2447 01:45:44,413 --> 01:45:46,310 "Yeah, that's good." I was just messing around. 2448 01:45:46,551 --> 01:45:48,655 There was Joe Strummer and there was John Graham Mellor. 2449 01:45:49,517 --> 01:45:51,344 He talks about his children in that song. 2450 01:45:51,482 --> 01:45:52,827 [all chattering] 2451 01:45:52,965 --> 01:45:56,241 - Go on. Do it! - No, Dad! 2452 01:45:56,724 --> 01:45:57,448 - Do it! 2453 01:45:57,586 --> 01:45:59,586 One, two, three, action! 2454 01:46:01,206 --> 01:46:05,827 - Maybe that night I wrote a song with John Mellor. 2455 01:46:06,379 --> 01:46:09,793 [Joe] ♪ Thought about my babies grown ♪ 2456 01:46:10,103 --> 01:46:13,551 ♪ Thought about going home ♪ 2457 01:46:13,896 --> 01:46:16,931 ♪ Thought about what's done is done ♪ 2458 01:46:17,379 --> 01:46:21,000 ♪ We're alive and that's the one ♪ 2459 01:46:21,137 --> 01:46:24,655 ♪ From Willesden to Cricklewood ♪ 2460 01:46:24,793 --> 01:46:25,482 ♪ From Willesden ♪ 2461 01:46:25,620 --> 01:46:27,448 [girl laughing] 2462 01:46:27,586 --> 01:46:28,931 [Joe] So I'm pinching myself sometimes. 2463 01:46:29,068 --> 01:46:30,931 Actually, you've got a record, you're traveling, 2464 01:46:31,068 --> 01:46:32,724 you're going around, you're in countries, 2465 01:46:32,862 --> 01:46:34,689 you're talking to people, you're playing shows. 2466 01:46:34,827 --> 01:46:37,793 It's such a change from 10 years in the wilderness. 2467 01:46:38,655 --> 01:46:40,206 Yeah, it feels great. 2468 01:46:40,344 --> 01:46:41,758 I'm having Christmas every day. 2469 01:46:44,068 --> 01:46:46,620 - Now here's Joe Strummer! Whoo! 2470 01:46:47,103 --> 01:46:48,344 - You know, when The Clash were on tour 2471 01:46:48,482 --> 01:46:50,103 and we lost the beat, chef would be, like, at the side 2472 01:46:50,241 --> 01:46:51,344 of the stage going, 2473 01:46:51,482 --> 01:46:53,517 "Don't forget, pump your loins, children." 2474 01:46:54,310 --> 01:46:56,482 You know, that was, like, his motto or something. 2475 01:46:57,379 --> 01:46:58,241 - Whoo! 2476 01:46:58,379 --> 01:47:00,620 ♪ Well, it's a rockin' world ♪ 2477 01:47:00,758 --> 01:47:02,655 ♪ Make no mistake about it ♪ 2478 01:47:02,793 --> 01:47:03,931 ♪ It's a shockin' world ♪ 2479 01:47:04,068 --> 01:47:05,344 ♪ Could be what's so great about it ♪ 2480 01:47:05,482 --> 01:47:06,793 ♪ It's a rockin' world ♪ 2481 01:47:06,931 --> 01:47:07,827 - What the hell is this? 2482 01:47:08,862 --> 01:47:12,344 - Whenever we hung out, all of us brought sunglasses 2483 01:47:12,482 --> 01:47:15,689 when Joe called, saying, "We're going out," you know? 2484 01:47:16,206 --> 01:47:19,206 'Cause you knew you'd be up at dawn somewhere with Joe. 2485 01:47:19,344 --> 01:47:21,896 - You would get a message, like, "I'm coming into town," 2486 01:47:22,034 --> 01:47:25,586 and you would take your vitamins and get your rest. 2487 01:47:25,862 --> 01:47:27,620 - And if Joe could find a piano, 2488 01:47:27,758 --> 01:47:29,000 he would play "Junco Partner." 2489 01:47:29,137 --> 01:47:31,241 Like, it's, you know, five o'clock in the morning 2490 01:47:31,379 --> 01:47:33,241 and we're all singing to "Junco Partner" 2491 01:47:33,379 --> 01:47:35,827 in some ground floor apartment in the East Village. 2492 01:47:37,655 --> 01:47:39,103 - Slowly but surely my drug addiction 2493 01:47:39,241 --> 01:47:41,172 became much more severe. 2494 01:47:41,896 --> 01:47:43,310 He's seen that movie. 2495 01:47:43,448 --> 01:47:45,344 He knows how that movie ends, so there's only thing to do 2496 01:47:45,482 --> 01:47:47,068 and that's [blows raspberry] 2497 01:47:47,275 --> 01:47:48,862 cut that, cut that guy lose. 2498 01:47:50,137 --> 01:47:52,586 - I was staying in Portsmouth at the time. 2499 01:47:52,724 --> 01:47:54,275 I hadn't seen Joe for a few years, 2500 01:47:54,517 --> 01:47:56,724 and I saw him in the bar and he kind of looks 2501 01:47:56,862 --> 01:47:59,482 at me, like, "Have you got an instrument with you?" [laughs] 2502 01:47:59,896 --> 01:48:01,689 [Joe] I just said to him, "Where is your violin?" 2503 01:48:01,827 --> 01:48:03,448 He said, "In the car." I said, "Go and get it!" 2504 01:48:03,586 --> 01:48:06,000 [gentle music] 2505 01:48:14,413 --> 01:48:17,068 - And then we did like that at every gig after that. 2506 01:48:17,793 --> 01:48:19,793 - Which part of life do we find the truth? 2507 01:48:19,931 --> 01:48:23,310 Is it the beginning, the middle or the end, or is it all, 2508 01:48:23,931 --> 01:48:25,413 quasi-truth? 2509 01:48:25,620 --> 01:48:27,724 I approach everything in my life with a tranquil attitude. 2510 01:48:27,862 --> 01:48:31,965 In fact, being grown up means exemplary manners 2511 01:48:32,103 --> 01:48:33,689 to your fellow human being. 2512 01:48:34,482 --> 01:48:36,862 I have a record program on the world service. 2513 01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:39,241 I just play records for half an hour. 2514 01:48:40,206 --> 01:48:42,758 When I asked, "How many people are listening to the slot?" 2515 01:48:43,310 --> 01:48:46,137 And he flicked through a book and he said, "40 million." 2516 01:48:46,620 --> 01:48:47,896 And I said, "Are you kidding me?" 2517 01:48:48,034 --> 01:48:49,379 And he said, "No, 40 million." 2518 01:48:49,517 --> 01:48:52,379 It just brings the idea of the globe sharply into focus. 2519 01:48:52,551 --> 01:48:54,448 Maybe that opened my eyes to hearing things 2520 01:48:54,586 --> 01:48:57,586 that aren't in the complete Western Music Groove. 2521 01:48:57,724 --> 01:49:00,482 I've always kept that going, finding strange records 2522 01:49:00,620 --> 01:49:02,965 and trying to learn from them, 2523 01:49:03,103 --> 01:49:04,655 so as not to keep it too narrow, 2524 01:49:04,793 --> 01:49:06,241 'cause if you keep it very narrow, 2525 01:49:06,379 --> 01:49:08,310 it's gonna kill the life in the music. 2526 01:49:08,862 --> 01:49:10,448 - ♪ Hey ♪ 2527 01:49:10,586 --> 01:49:11,931 ♪ Down along the road ♪ 2528 01:49:13,344 --> 01:49:14,482 ♪ Hey ♪ 2529 01:49:14,620 --> 01:49:17,310 ♪ Down on the road, down on the road ♪ 2530 01:49:17,448 --> 01:49:18,482 ♪ Hey ♪ 2531 01:49:18,620 --> 01:49:20,344 ♪ If you're after getting the honey ♪ 2532 01:49:20,724 --> 01:49:22,344 ♪ Hey ♪ 2533 01:49:22,482 --> 01:49:23,551 ♪ Hey ♪ 2534 01:49:23,689 --> 01:49:27,413 ♪ Then you don't go killing all the bees ♪ 2535 01:49:29,551 --> 01:49:31,275 [crowd cheering] 2536 01:49:31,413 --> 01:49:33,827 ♪ Let the summertime sun ♪ 2537 01:49:34,620 --> 01:49:36,758 - I saw Joe play with the Mescaleros quite a bit. 2538 01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:39,206 I remember it being just blissful. 2539 01:49:39,344 --> 01:49:40,931 There wasn't anywhere else on the planet 2540 01:49:41,068 --> 01:49:42,758 I could conceivably want to be. 2541 01:49:45,896 --> 01:49:48,758 [crowd cheering] 2542 01:49:52,310 --> 01:49:54,655 - Tokyo, typhoon coming in. 2543 01:49:54,793 --> 01:49:55,586 [fireworks exploding outside] 2544 01:49:55,724 --> 01:49:57,034 And the city is saying... 2545 01:49:57,655 --> 01:50:00,103 [laughs] 2546 01:50:00,241 --> 01:50:01,413 [woman speaking foreign language] 2547 01:50:01,551 --> 01:50:02,758 I love you. 2548 01:50:08,137 --> 01:50:09,965 - I think he knew he had something else to do 2549 01:50:10,103 --> 01:50:11,965 and he hadn't found it, and then with the Mescaleros, 2550 01:50:12,103 --> 01:50:13,517 he found what he wanted to do again. 2551 01:50:13,655 --> 01:50:15,862 I think it was as important to him as The Clash. 2552 01:50:17,241 --> 01:50:19,034 [Joe] I don't have any message except, 2553 01:50:19,172 --> 01:50:20,862 don't forget you're alive, because sometimes, 2554 01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:23,689 when you walk around the city or when you yourself are 2555 01:50:23,827 --> 01:50:25,241 in a bad mood, you can think, 2556 01:50:25,379 --> 01:50:26,862 "Hey, wait a minute, we're alive. 2557 01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:29,275 You know, we don't know what the next second will bring." 2558 01:50:29,413 --> 01:50:31,620 [crowd cheering] 2559 01:50:32,344 --> 01:50:33,827 - ♪ Distance no object ♪ 2560 01:50:33,965 --> 01:50:36,000 ♪ Rasta, for I ♪ 2561 01:50:39,655 --> 01:50:41,310 - We all thought it might be we would play 2562 01:50:41,448 --> 01:50:43,758 at the Rock 'n' roll Hall of Fame or something, you know, 2563 01:50:43,896 --> 01:50:45,068 we'd get back together. 2564 01:50:45,206 --> 01:50:46,517 [car horn beeps] 2565 01:50:46,862 --> 01:50:49,413 But it wasn't to be that, and it was something, 2566 01:50:50,413 --> 01:50:52,689 more appropriate, in a way. 2567 01:50:54,241 --> 01:50:57,034 - The 2002 strike, we felt we deserved more money. 2568 01:50:57,172 --> 01:50:58,724 We didn't think it was being greedy, 2569 01:50:58,862 --> 01:51:00,413 we was actually going for the average wage 2570 01:51:00,551 --> 01:51:01,827 of that particular sector. 2571 01:51:01,965 --> 01:51:03,896 We wasn't seeming to get our message across. 2572 01:51:04,034 --> 01:51:06,241 Joe realized that there was more to our cause 2573 01:51:06,379 --> 01:51:09,137 than what the papers and the government were saying. 2574 01:51:09,275 --> 01:51:11,103 For Joe to come out and do such a gig 2575 01:51:11,241 --> 01:51:13,448 for us was a great morale booster. 2576 01:51:14,482 --> 01:51:16,068 - In the key of "A"! 2577 01:51:16,206 --> 01:51:18,206 [crowd cheering] 2578 01:51:18,344 --> 01:51:20,000 - I didn't really intend to play. 2579 01:51:20,137 --> 01:51:21,931 Joe and I never discussed it beforehand 2580 01:51:22,068 --> 01:51:23,793 and we didn't pre-arrange anything. 2581 01:51:23,931 --> 01:51:25,448 It was just I felt completely compelled. 2582 01:51:25,586 --> 01:51:26,586 I said, "Hold me coat. 2583 01:51:27,068 --> 01:51:27,931 I'm going out." 2584 01:51:28,448 --> 01:51:30,689 [Joe singing indistinctly] 2585 01:51:33,379 --> 01:51:35,448 ♪ White riot, I wanna riot ♪ 2586 01:51:35,827 --> 01:51:37,827 ♪ White riot, a riot of my own ♪ 2587 01:51:38,206 --> 01:51:40,103 ♪ White riot, I wanna riot ♪ 2588 01:51:40,241 --> 01:51:42,551 ♪ White riot, a riot of my own ♪ 2589 01:51:43,172 --> 01:51:45,379 [crowd cheering] 2590 01:51:46,241 --> 01:51:48,241 - Mick Jones, ladies and gentlemen. 2591 01:51:49,827 --> 01:51:51,724 - That was actually the first time that Mick 2592 01:51:51,862 --> 01:51:53,517 and Joe had appeared on stage together 2593 01:51:53,655 --> 01:51:55,310 since the break-up of The Clash. 2594 01:51:55,586 --> 01:51:56,827 - Well done! 2595 01:51:56,965 --> 01:51:58,275 - It was kind of cool, 'cause they did it 2596 01:51:58,413 --> 01:51:59,758 for the firemen and not 'cause somebody paid them 2597 01:51:59,896 --> 01:52:01,413 two million quid. 2598 01:52:03,517 --> 01:52:04,724 [Joe] And that's the end of the first series 2599 01:52:04,862 --> 01:52:06,482 ofJoe Strummer's London Calling. 2600 01:52:06,620 --> 01:52:08,896 If you want a second series, please write in. 2601 01:52:09,241 --> 01:52:11,482 In fact, I'm not even going to wait for you to write in. 2602 01:52:11,620 --> 01:52:14,310 I'm going to kick off the second series, right now. 2603 01:52:14,448 --> 01:52:16,275 Let it roll with Nina Simone. 2604 01:52:16,413 --> 01:52:19,000 ["To Love Somebody" by Nina Simone] 2605 01:52:24,517 --> 01:52:26,206 ♪ There's a light ♪ 2606 01:52:28,275 --> 01:52:29,896 ♪ A certain kind of light ♪ 2607 01:52:31,655 --> 01:52:34,724 ♪ That's never shone on me ♪ 2608 01:52:36,724 --> 01:52:39,275 ♪ I want my whole life to be ♪ 2609 01:52:39,413 --> 01:52:41,000 - He did this incredible Christmas card. 2610 01:52:41,827 --> 01:52:45,137 They were a series of islands with campfires 2611 01:52:45,275 --> 01:52:47,413 on them and people heading towards them, 2612 01:52:47,551 --> 01:52:49,965 drawn by the campfires, in little boats. 2613 01:52:50,103 --> 01:52:52,482 - And it was his vision of heaven, I think, 2614 01:52:52,620 --> 01:52:56,724 this place where people joined and worked together. 2615 01:52:57,724 --> 01:53:00,103 - It was all done very last-minute, as always. 2616 01:53:00,241 --> 01:53:03,379 I think I posted them on December the 21st, 2617 01:53:05,517 --> 01:53:08,379 so a lot of people received them the day he died. 2618 01:53:10,034 --> 01:53:12,655 - He was a genuinely happy man. 2619 01:53:12,793 --> 01:53:14,034 There was no pressure. 2620 01:53:14,172 --> 01:53:15,689 There was just joy in what he was doing, 2621 01:53:15,827 --> 01:53:17,724 and he just went like that, on the sofa, 2622 01:53:17,862 --> 01:53:18,827 readingThe Observer, I think. 2623 01:53:20,137 --> 01:53:23,413 - He died of a congenital heart defect which 2624 01:53:24,413 --> 01:53:26,482 we were all totally unaware that he had. 2625 01:53:26,620 --> 01:53:29,034 It could have struck him down at any time. 2626 01:53:30,137 --> 01:53:32,241 - None of those things can really last forever and I think, 2627 01:53:32,379 --> 01:53:36,413 in a way, it's kind of greedy of people to expect it 2628 01:53:36,551 --> 01:53:40,000 to last forever because that's people like, 2629 01:53:41,517 --> 01:53:45,482 that's their fire burning, at extra strength, 2630 01:53:46,379 --> 01:53:48,068 for us, you know? 2631 01:53:48,206 --> 01:53:50,413 And that's kind of a lot to ask of people, 2632 01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:52,034 to burn like that. 2633 01:53:53,206 --> 01:53:54,862 - Tens of thousands of e-mails that came 2634 01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:57,551 in were saying, "Joe, thank you. 2635 01:53:57,689 --> 01:54:01,068 You changed the way that I thought and felt about life." 2636 01:54:01,413 --> 01:54:05,000 - His mythology is cast in reinforced concrete, 2637 01:54:06,448 --> 01:54:08,034 and it's probably helping 2638 01:54:08,172 --> 01:54:11,724 to hold up the Trellick Tower right now. 2639 01:54:14,586 --> 01:54:17,586 - You know, when I, you and I carried him into that chapel, 2640 01:54:19,379 --> 01:54:21,172 he felt like he'd put a bit of weight on. 2641 01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:24,379 I think that strat must have been in there. 2642 01:54:26,724 --> 01:54:29,482 [stammers] 2643 01:54:31,241 --> 01:54:33,034 It's like Hemingway said about Paris, 2644 01:54:33,172 --> 01:54:34,724 "There's never any end to it," 2645 01:54:35,172 --> 01:54:36,172 and um... 2646 01:54:39,448 --> 01:54:40,827 it's the same with Joe. 2647 01:54:47,517 --> 01:54:49,448 [Joe] And so, now, I'd like to say, 2648 01:54:50,827 --> 01:54:53,620 people can change anything they want to, 2649 01:54:54,172 --> 01:54:56,448 and that means everything in the world. 2650 01:54:56,586 --> 01:54:58,689 People are running about, following their little tracks, 2651 01:54:58,827 --> 01:55:01,896 I am one of them, but we've all got to stop 2652 01:55:02,482 --> 01:55:05,620 just following our own little mouse trail. 2653 01:55:06,310 --> 01:55:07,724 People can do anything. 2654 01:55:09,344 --> 01:55:12,448 This is something that I'm beginning to learn. 2655 01:55:13,655 --> 01:55:16,344 People are out there, doing bad things to each other. 2656 01:55:17,620 --> 01:55:19,724 It's because they've been dehumanized. 2657 01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:24,206 It's time to take the humanity back into the center 2658 01:55:24,344 --> 01:55:27,448 of the ring and follow that for a time. 2659 01:55:28,344 --> 01:55:30,793 Greed, it ain't going anywhere. 2660 01:55:30,965 --> 01:55:32,862 They should have that on a big billboard 2661 01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:33,862 across Times Square. 2662 01:55:35,206 --> 01:55:37,068 Without people, we are nothing. 2663 01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:40,517 That's my spiel. 2664 01:55:45,034 --> 01:55:48,000 ["Get Down Moses" by Joe Strummer and the Mescaleros] 2665 01:56:02,344 --> 01:56:05,344 ♪ Once I got to the mountaintop ♪ 2666 01:56:05,482 --> 01:56:07,724 ♪ Tell you what I could see ♪ 2667 01:56:08,413 --> 01:56:11,689 ♪ Prairie full of lost souls running ♪ 2668 01:56:11,827 --> 01:56:15,034 ♪ From the priests of iniquity ♪ 2669 01:56:16,482 --> 01:56:19,655 ♪ Where the hell was Elijah ♪ 2670 01:56:21,068 --> 01:56:26,000 ♪ And what do you do when the prophecy game was through ♪ 2671 01:56:27,689 --> 01:56:29,551 ♪ Na, na, na-na-na-na-na ♪ 2672 01:56:29,689 --> 01:56:32,620 ♪ We gotta take the walls of Jericho ♪ 2673 01:56:32,758 --> 01:56:35,724 ♪ Na, na, na-na-na-na-na ♪ 2674 01:56:35,862 --> 01:56:39,103 ♪ Put your lips together and blow ♪ 2675 01:56:39,241 --> 01:56:42,068 ♪ Na, na, na-na-na-na-na ♪ 2676 01:56:42,206 --> 01:56:45,241 ♪ To the very top ♪ 2677 01:56:45,379 --> 01:56:48,103 ♪ Na, na, na-na-na-na-na ♪ 2678 01:56:48,241 --> 01:56:49,931 ♪ They say the truth ♪ 2679 01:56:50,068 --> 01:56:53,655 ♪ Crystallizes ♪ 2680 01:56:55,620 --> 01:56:57,517 ♪ Like jewels ♪ 2681 01:56:58,655 --> 01:57:00,758 ♪ In the rock ♪ 2682 01:57:01,931 --> 01:57:03,827 ♪ In the rock ♪ 2683 01:57:03,965 --> 01:57:05,448 ♪ Get down, Moses ♪ 2684 01:57:05,586 --> 01:57:06,724 ♪ Part another sea ♪ 2685 01:57:06,862 --> 01:57:09,482 ♪ Carve another tablet out of LSD ♪ 2686 01:57:09,620 --> 01:57:11,068 ♪ Get down, Moses ♪ 2687 01:57:11,206 --> 01:57:14,068 ♪ Out in Tennessee ♪ 2688 01:57:16,241 --> 01:57:17,413 ♪ Get down, Moses ♪ 2689 01:57:17,551 --> 01:57:19,137 ♪ Down in the street ♪ 2690 01:57:19,275 --> 01:57:21,931 ♪ The blood is washing down all the gravel to our feet ♪ 2691 01:57:22,068 --> 01:57:23,586 ♪ Get down, Moses ♪ 2692 01:57:23,724 --> 01:57:25,965 ♪ Down in the pit ♪ 2693 01:57:37,655 --> 01:57:39,068 ♪ Lying in a dream ♪ 2694 01:57:39,206 --> 01:57:40,482 ♪ Cross battlefield ♪ 2695 01:57:40,620 --> 01:57:43,275 ♪ Crashing on a downtown strip ♪ 2696 01:57:43,655 --> 01:57:45,068 ♪ Looking in the eyes ♪ 2697 01:57:45,206 --> 01:57:47,689 ♪ Of the diamonds and the spies and the hip ♪ 2698 01:57:51,206 --> 01:57:56,172 ♪ Who's sponsoring the crack ghetto ♪ 2699 01:57:57,482 --> 01:57:59,448 ♪ Who's lecturing ♪ 2700 01:57:59,931 --> 01:58:02,655 ♪ Who's in the know and in the don't know ♪ 2701 01:58:02,793 --> 01:58:05,103 ♪ Na, na, na-na-na-na-na ♪ 2702 01:58:05,241 --> 01:58:08,275 ♪ You better take the walls of Jericho ♪ 2703 01:58:08,413 --> 01:58:11,103 ♪ Na, na, na-na-na-na-na ♪ 2704 01:58:11,241 --> 01:58:14,689 ♪ Put your lips together and blow ♪ 2705 01:58:14,827 --> 01:58:17,793 ♪ Na, na, na-na-na-na-na ♪ 2706 01:58:18,310 --> 01:58:20,724 ♪ Going to the very top ♪ 2707 01:58:20,862 --> 01:58:23,517 ♪ Na, na, na-na-na-na-na ♪ 2708 01:58:23,655 --> 01:58:26,586 ♪ Where the truth crystallizes ♪ 2709 01:58:26,724 --> 01:58:29,034 ♪ Like jewels ♪ 2710 01:58:31,344 --> 01:58:33,034 ♪ In the rock ♪ 2711 01:58:37,310 --> 01:58:39,241 ♪ In the rock ♪ 2712 01:58:39,379 --> 01:58:40,862 ♪ Get down, Moses ♪ 2713 01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:42,448 ♪ From the eagle's aerie ♪ 2714 01:58:42,586 --> 01:58:45,068 ♪ We gotta to make a new friend out of old enemies ♪ 2715 01:58:45,206 --> 01:58:46,827 ♪ Get down, Moses ♪ 2716 01:58:46,965 --> 01:58:49,379 ♪ Back in Tennessee ♪ 2717 01:58:51,620 --> 01:58:52,655 ♪ Get down, Moses ♪ 2718 01:58:52,793 --> 01:58:54,275 ♪ Down with the dreads ♪ 2719 01:58:54,413 --> 01:58:57,517 ♪ They got a lotta reasoning in a dreadhead ♪ 2720 01:58:57,655 --> 01:58:58,896 ♪ Get down, Moses ♪ 2721 01:58:59,034 --> 01:59:00,931 ♪ Down in the street ♪ 2722 01:59:16,310 --> 01:59:17,551 ♪ Get down, Moses ♪ 2723 01:59:17,689 --> 01:59:18,896 ♪ We need to eat ♪ 2724 01:59:19,034 --> 01:59:21,862 ♪ We gotta chew it over with our wisdom teeth ♪ 2725 01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:24,241 ♪ Get down, Moses ♪ 2726 01:59:28,724 --> 01:59:29,793 ♪ Chuffin' ♪